I'm glad you have resonated with Chloe's beautiful writings, and also glad that my distracted tardiness has not stopped you from getting this up! The spirit of both Zosma and Denebola absolutely shine through in you (and it feels like there is a lot more that needs to be unpacked in that Heracles myth and how it is still playing out)
Thank you so much, Isaac, for the permission you've given me to dwell on and in the stars. I am enjoying playing with Zosma and Denebola, and appreciate your compliment.
Yes, Heracles in Greek becoming Hercules in Roman mythology seems like an especially transparent admission that these are the same authors. When I looked up Hydra as the largest constellation, it linked to Hercules as the fifth largest. I agree, there's a lot more there to be unpacked that's significant in how it's playing out.
Also, Isaac, you asked me in an email (that I just found again) if I saw Algol (Medusa) and Lilith as the same. I don't remember intentionally writing about them that way, since Lilith would be from the Aryan-Levite-Habiru mythology and Medusa from the Aryan-Hellenist. But they certainly seem related to one another, and the timelines are close enough. I love what you (and Chloe) have done with Algol/ Medusa and with Lilith!
I love your posts, though not in alignment with a few things....since you are exploring fixed stars, you may enjoy this article as a sample of what my school is up to:https://turningoftheages.com/what-does-in-virgo-mean/
Hello Daniel! It's not surprising that we wouldn't be in alignment, since I'm bringing in speculation from different fields and you've been studying this in depth and even have a school on it. What is surprising is how gracious you are about loving my posts despite our differences!
Your Turning of the Ages Mystery School is fascinating! It's interesting that nearly a century ago, within Rudolf Steiner's circle, Elizabeth Vreede was coming to some of the same conclusions: "We ought indeed to have two expressions, one for the twelvefold division of the year’s cycle, the signs, and one for the configurations of stars visible in the sky, the real constellations of the zodiac. ... We must really be clear that the names arise entirely from the old dream-like clairvoyance, and all of them are basically out of date for our time. Modern humanity must experience the starry heavens differently—whether it is sign or constellation … But in a certain sense the names of these pictures, the new names of the starry heaven are lacking. Perhaps if such names did exist, the older names could be preserved for the “signs.” But they would have to be totally severed from the visible constellations and be only the divisions of the ecliptic-equator."
I also read your linked post https://turningoftheages.com/why-we-use-signs-and-love-the-constellations. It seems to me that there is movement in everything. The spinning of the earth doesn't align perfectly with its circuit around the sun, needing the occasional leap. The moon's circuits around the earth aren't a perfect 13 in a solar circuit--they're 13 moonths of 27.3 days plus 10 in a year. That tension creates the variable shadow that obscures and reveals it every 29.5 days. Even the equinox and solstice wouldn't be on the same day because 365 days would make the seasons not divide equally by 4.
Is there evidence of a different numbering system that predates sexagesimal in Sumer? It's an elegant system that essentially multiplies the primes 3 x 4 x 5. And then multiplies the result by 6. I don't think anything better has ever been devised.
I think you're right about the tropical/ solar astrology being tied to the rise of patriarchy. The sun is a monotheism, the sky father. The stars are infinite manifestations, no one supreme. To ask a newbie question--is the tropical sign the one on the horizon when the sun is rising? How did they know what constellations were visible when the sun blocked them all? Thanks, Daniel, I'll continue in another comment.
13 times 27.3---12 times 29.5 12 moonths....virtually the same...the ancient megalith builders called the remainder the "silver fraction" and this was built into the anciient metrology. Robin Heath and Alexander Thom's work is crucial in this research. 12 AND 13 sacred numbers of the Moon. I do not think 12ness has anything to do with patriarchy...The latest research I have seen traces it back to China, whose original astrology was the movement of Jupiter through constellations, before Western influence overlayed onto their systems...The tropical zodiac was a self standing Zodiac archetype fixed to the Equinoxes and Solstices, an Earth Zodiac...brilliantly needed as the constellations slowly show up in the wrong seasons! Here is another article to chew on:https://turningoftheages.com/re-birthing-astrology/
Another interesting article, Daniel. 12 x 29.5 = 354, missing eleven days. And yes, 13 x 27.3 = 354.9, missing ten. But 13 x 28 days gives four even weeks of seven days every month, corresponding to women's cycles, with only one silver fraction left in a year, which would move the days of the week back by one. It's much more intuitive.
I totally agree that 12ness wasn't an invention of the patriarchs! They disrupted thinking with Base-10, a crude and clumsy substitution.
My research reverses the Earth being feminine and the Sun and stars being masculine, although that was certainly what the patriarchs imposed with Dyeus Patr the Sky Father and his other names Zeus and Ju-Patr.
If the priestess is the earthly reflection of the Goddess, it seems like the stars would be aspects of Goddess, not priestess. In other depictions, Virgo is the kite-headed stick figure, but in your image she has a box-like body, more so if the first leg star is connected as the body.
It gave me the thought that she represents the Pregnant Virgin, the primal mother. The only way in which life can come from one being is if that is a woman already pregnant with a son who becomes the consort. In the theology I call One Mind Dreaming, all of infinity exists within the Virgin's pregnant belly. We are the co-imaginers with Goddess.
You also led me to investigate Hydra, which has to be Ua Zet the serpent Goddess. Is there a reason that the Bull can't be the horned cow Baat? Are there twin stars for the testicles? And what makes Leo a lion and not Mehit the lioness? If the stone monument was facing her reflection on the equinox horizon in 10,000 BCE, it seems likely she was considered a lioness.
In our school we see Gods and Goddesses in every sign and planet...the farther back you do, you see both...even "Sun" is from Sunna a Goddess and the Moon is from Mona, a God....I would agree that base 10 is the hijack...BTW, we see Pluto as essentially feminine (underworld feminine) and categorically reject the astrology that stems from the allocation of the whole world to the three brothers!....check out this one: https://turningoftheages.com/considering-pluto/
Wealth is ownership of the capital: natural, physical, and human. Money is a means of organizing labor in the interests of whoever creates it. It can be used to extract the wealth FROM the community or to enhance and protect the wealth FOR the community." Wealth gives power over yourself and your own labor. Money, in its current creation, takes power over others by usurping ownership of the assets.
I was just writing in Unraveling the Baal that the de-storying (note the inversion of destroying) of Goddess happened in steps. First the manifestations of Goddess were divided into male and female. The masculine had power and was valorized even when evil and defeated, like the Nemean Lion becoming Leo the constellation. The feminine was subservient to the male, whether good or evil. She elevated and protected the throne even as Seckmet the bloodthirsty or Isis. From another chapter:
"In the Hurrian/ Horite/ Hittite myth, Kumarbi is the father of all gods. He has a stone child called Ullikummi, a double-peaked volcanic mountain in the Kizzuwatna territory of Anatolia. It is Ullikummi’s job to destroy Teshub, who is the consort of the Anatolian Goddess Hepat and considered by the Hittites to be the same deity as Arinna the Sun Goddess."
The Sun God/ Sky Father was the Great Hor, Dyeus Patr, Ra, El, Zeus, Jupiter, YHWH. All of patriarchy revolves around a masculine sun god by many names. Women have already been constrained to the underworld in Persephone and Inanna, and Ereshkigal as you say. They've been represented as chaos and irrational violence. These aren't empowering metaphors. They're projections of men.
It would be fun to have conversation. DM me and let's make that happen!
How do I DM? My email is danielgiamario@gmail.com....I have times next week. how so you prefer to meet? I am in the Philippines, depending on where you are for times.
If you live with the stars and sky, it is actually rather easy to visualize this...an ancient way was to see the stars behind a very young or very old Moon and relate that to the seasons.
Hi Tereza! Wow, what an article! Thank you so much for calling attention to Chloe Margarita's work (I subbed to her already). I love the whole thing about getting back in touch with the stars, figuring out where the come into play with one's chart, the mythology behind it, etc. I wasn't able to wrap my head around figuring out the part where you were "geeking out" as I'll have to do a deeper dive into how that works. I've been a stargazer pretty much all my life but saw them as remote cigarette tips burning a hole in the cosmos' gauzy gown. It also makes me recall one of my favorite Guillaume Apollinaire lines "And the remote stars are my untested masters"...
Oh and the other thing that kinda bugs me is that astro-fizz-assists will have us believe that the stars are dead; i.e. that the light we see is 1000s of light years old. Part of me wants to reject that notion, that the stars are very much ALIVE and blessing us with their divine light. (I know it's poetic license which I hope won't be revoked, lol).
I will be looking into Chloe's work further to see how to go about getting in touch with my stars.
Beautiful poem, VP! I love your metaphors for the stars: "an angel scattered flour across the night’s kitchen counter," "bioluminescent fishes swimming in celestial seas," and "A veritable zoo swirling with celestial deities going about their divine activities, as they beam down electromagnetic melodies through terrestrial portals to guide our human destinies."
Thank you for sharing that with us all! I will never revoke your poetic license ;-)
Interesting information,and way outside my wheelhouse. I'll start with newbie questions.
What does the 1-1300 mean?
When you say that the zodiac should have 13 months, which would corelate to 13 zodiac places(maybe? IDK) isn't Ophiuchus the 13th zodiac? I only listened to 1 podcast that mentioned Ophiuchus, so I'm not very familiar with it.
Last serious question, do you have an article, or resource that you can point me at, that goes more in depth on determining the fixed stars, or is that just part of a natal chart?
Ok silly now, every time I read Denebola, I chuckled at it, because I kept seeing "ebola den".
Does Denebola have any associations with gold and/or arsenic?
"Baal plays a pivotal role in 14th century BCE in Ugarit, Northern Canaan, as the brother/ consort of the Goddess Anath who kills the serpent Lotan/ Lawtan, with Lat meaning Goddess. At the same time and place, Baal is the storm god of Mount Saphon. [68] In the Biblical post-Moses story of southern Canaan, he is the consort of the Goddess Ashtoreth.
"Stone points out that Mount Saphon appears in the Anatolian mythology of the supreme father god Kumarbi, who tells his volcano son to crush the consort of the goddess Hepat. It’s the same mountain name as the legend of Zeus, whose name comes from the Hiero/ Aryan supreme father god Dyeus Patr. He becomes the ruler of all by killing the serpent Typhon, identified with Set. The supreme father god of Hiero-Egypt, Ra, daily fights the serpent of darkness Zet for the sun to rise. The Egyptian Goddess who becomes Isis in Greek is Au Set and the Cobra Goddess of Lower Egypt is Ua Zit. [91]
"Another name for the great serpent that Ra fights is Apophis, the same as taken by the Heka Khasut Pharaoh. He represents the forces of chaos and darkness that tries to swallow the sun and the cosmic order every night. As primeval evil, he can never be killed. He was said to emerge from Ra’s umbilical cord or the saliva of the goddess Neith. So evil, being woman, can never be vanquished, it has to be subjugated daily again and again.
"In one myth, Apophis hypnotizes Ra and his followers, and only Set is able to stab him with his spear. In others, Set is Apophis, and the followers of Horus repel him with the help of Isis, Neith, gods in the form of monkeys, and the dead coming back in the form of the god Shu. Each time the divine order, called Ma’at, is restored. The divine order was Ba’at, the bull on top."
So Ophiuchus is a Hellenist myth, and the Hellenists were the Aryan rulers of Egypt, Sumer, Canaan and Greece. That constellation is something, but I think we should reimagine the ways that we connect the dots of the stars, and the stories they tell.
Also Den-Ebola as Ebola Den! I think you're on to something. Arsenic bronze was the primary weapon-material of the Aryans in 3000 BCE, which is why I say civilization ended then, when they made violence into a social norm. Ar-senic absolutely comes from Aryan, as does Ares/ Mars and Arslantepe, hill of the lion, which is where they originated. And gold! I've already made that connection with the Aryans. I didn't know about Ebola as arsenic poisoning but it makes so much sense. Thank you for that!
Thanks, I'll process that. I'm going to restack this reply to share the meme that connects arsenic poisoning to ebola. The arsenic-gold connection is that gold mining produces or releases a ton of arsenic into the atmosphere. Which is why many more Africans seems to get ebola, there many gold mines in Africa.
Yes, a big topic of my research a decade ago was the Canadian companies mining gold in Latin America, and the arsenic the processing leaves in the water, causing stunted growth among other things. That's why I object to those who think sustainable money is going back to the gold standard. The latin for gold is aurum, which I learned from some alchemist oracle cards, leading to its chemical sign AU. So Aryan is arsenic first used for bronze, is arsenic now used for aurum. Gold is the source of their power, not to get them back to their planet (as I've seen it) but to symbolize ownership of lives. It was the way slavery was put on steroids because it was small enough to carry a thousand man-years of labor in a purse.
Thank you for asking, Antila! As one nube to another, I love the chance to explore and explain. And since I'm mixing my own speculations with the edgy astrology that goes back beyond ancient, it's wonderful to have you engage with me in pushing the envelope.
Since I developed that chart awhile ago, I had to figure out what I meant by 1-1300 and found that AI can't add! I knew that I was calculating the period of precession in Base-12. It's an odd number of years in Base-10, and I think the original numbering system in prehistoric Egypt and Sumer was Base-12. So I asked AI was Base-12 1300 was, and it calculated that 1728 (12 to the 3rd power) plus 432 (3 x 12 to the 2nd power) = 1944.
But then I subtracted the intervals in the dates and it was 2160. If I ask AI what that is in Base-12, it's 1300 and it shows how to verify that by doing the reverse--correctly. So there's that.
What I'm saying is that the eons of the Great Year of 25,920 years could be represented by the years starting over at 1 each time the equinox rises on a new constellation, instead of the arbitrary Before Christ and Anno Domini, or even Common Era or the ever-changing Before Present Time (and why didn't they choose 2000 for the Present Time? SO much easier to calculate.)
But the zodiac should really be matching the actual constellations rising, if astrology is to have any meaning at all. So the sign shouldn't match the month but the constellation. And the months are moon-ths and should be matching the moons, which are 13 in one circle around the sun. This would make precession vary in terms of the size of the constellation. Rather than a simplistic division into 12, it should have each sign as a unique proportional size.
Ophiuchus is so interesting! I hadn't researched that before. The man wrestling the snake corresponds to research I was just doing for OMGdess, I'll continue that in another comment later today!
Thank you Tereza. That makes sense and reminds me of a story.
Did you know that the native american greeting of raising up one hand, open palmed and saying "how," was a test they used to make sure you only had 5 digits, instead if 6? The 6 digited people were canibals and mortal enemies if all the tribes. The 6 digited people are the nephilim, aka hybrids of fallen angels and mankind.
The Egyptian small g gods were all fallen angels with 6 digits also.
All this to say, maybe the reason for the base 12 time keeping was the same reason mankind uses base 10.
Interesting, Antila. That story seems to combine two opposite concepts. Were the Nephilim and Egyptian gods primitive dunces who could only count on their fingers? Or were they responsible for bringing advanced civilization, along with evil, to humans who were finger-counting dunces?
From my research, neither of these were true. Advanced civilizations existed as far back as 10,000 BCE when the Great Pyramid and Mehit monument (Sphinx in its defaced version) were built. They were Goddess cultures in which sex was sacred and violence was condemned--with the consequence that men who committed violence would never have sex. It was an effective deterrent.
Then women were made dependent on men in order to raise their children. Sex was the currency paid by women to the men and violence was the currency paid by men to the archons. This is the system promoted in the bible.
If the celestial order has created evil in the form of fallen angels who dominate us, I think we're sunk. If patriarchy has authorized violence, the solution is obvious--enable women to raise children securely without dependence on a man. We all want men to be involved but not at the price of violence: to ourselves, to our children, to others.
Oh and cannibalize comes from Canaan and Baal. But it's YHWH who demands the sacrifice of the firstborn--what better way to control the mother? Everything in the bible is a projection and an inversion. Canaan was a Goddess society that never would have tolerated child sacrifice. And Baal is an inversion of the cow Goddess Baat. I'm just finishing my chapter, Unravelling the Baal.
Those are my thoughts, obviously I've given a lot of them to this topic.
I'm glad you have resonated with Chloe's beautiful writings, and also glad that my distracted tardiness has not stopped you from getting this up! The spirit of both Zosma and Denebola absolutely shine through in you (and it feels like there is a lot more that needs to be unpacked in that Heracles myth and how it is still playing out)
Thank you so much, Isaac, for the permission you've given me to dwell on and in the stars. I am enjoying playing with Zosma and Denebola, and appreciate your compliment.
Yes, Heracles in Greek becoming Hercules in Roman mythology seems like an especially transparent admission that these are the same authors. When I looked up Hydra as the largest constellation, it linked to Hercules as the fifth largest. I agree, there's a lot more there to be unpacked that's significant in how it's playing out.
Also, Isaac, you asked me in an email (that I just found again) if I saw Algol (Medusa) and Lilith as the same. I don't remember intentionally writing about them that way, since Lilith would be from the Aryan-Levite-Habiru mythology and Medusa from the Aryan-Hellenist. But they certainly seem related to one another, and the timelines are close enough. I love what you (and Chloe) have done with Algol/ Medusa and with Lilith!
I love your posts, though not in alignment with a few things....since you are exploring fixed stars, you may enjoy this article as a sample of what my school is up to:https://turningoftheages.com/what-does-in-virgo-mean/
Hello Daniel! It's not surprising that we wouldn't be in alignment, since I'm bringing in speculation from different fields and you've been studying this in depth and even have a school on it. What is surprising is how gracious you are about loving my posts despite our differences!
Your Turning of the Ages Mystery School is fascinating! It's interesting that nearly a century ago, within Rudolf Steiner's circle, Elizabeth Vreede was coming to some of the same conclusions: "We ought indeed to have two expressions, one for the twelvefold division of the year’s cycle, the signs, and one for the configurations of stars visible in the sky, the real constellations of the zodiac. ... We must really be clear that the names arise entirely from the old dream-like clairvoyance, and all of them are basically out of date for our time. Modern humanity must experience the starry heavens differently—whether it is sign or constellation … But in a certain sense the names of these pictures, the new names of the starry heaven are lacking. Perhaps if such names did exist, the older names could be preserved for the “signs.” But they would have to be totally severed from the visible constellations and be only the divisions of the ecliptic-equator."
I also read your linked post https://turningoftheages.com/why-we-use-signs-and-love-the-constellations. It seems to me that there is movement in everything. The spinning of the earth doesn't align perfectly with its circuit around the sun, needing the occasional leap. The moon's circuits around the earth aren't a perfect 13 in a solar circuit--they're 13 moonths of 27.3 days plus 10 in a year. That tension creates the variable shadow that obscures and reveals it every 29.5 days. Even the equinox and solstice wouldn't be on the same day because 365 days would make the seasons not divide equally by 4.
Is there evidence of a different numbering system that predates sexagesimal in Sumer? It's an elegant system that essentially multiplies the primes 3 x 4 x 5. And then multiplies the result by 6. I don't think anything better has ever been devised.
I think you're right about the tropical/ solar astrology being tied to the rise of patriarchy. The sun is a monotheism, the sky father. The stars are infinite manifestations, no one supreme. To ask a newbie question--is the tropical sign the one on the horizon when the sun is rising? How did they know what constellations were visible when the sun blocked them all? Thanks, Daniel, I'll continue in another comment.
13 times 27.3---12 times 29.5 12 moonths....virtually the same...the ancient megalith builders called the remainder the "silver fraction" and this was built into the anciient metrology. Robin Heath and Alexander Thom's work is crucial in this research. 12 AND 13 sacred numbers of the Moon. I do not think 12ness has anything to do with patriarchy...The latest research I have seen traces it back to China, whose original astrology was the movement of Jupiter through constellations, before Western influence overlayed onto their systems...The tropical zodiac was a self standing Zodiac archetype fixed to the Equinoxes and Solstices, an Earth Zodiac...brilliantly needed as the constellations slowly show up in the wrong seasons! Here is another article to chew on:https://turningoftheages.com/re-birthing-astrology/
Another interesting article, Daniel. 12 x 29.5 = 354, missing eleven days. And yes, 13 x 27.3 = 354.9, missing ten. But 13 x 28 days gives four even weeks of seven days every month, corresponding to women's cycles, with only one silver fraction left in a year, which would move the days of the week back by one. It's much more intuitive.
I totally agree that 12ness wasn't an invention of the patriarchs! They disrupted thinking with Base-10, a crude and clumsy substitution.
My research reverses the Earth being feminine and the Sun and stars being masculine, although that was certainly what the patriarchs imposed with Dyeus Patr the Sky Father and his other names Zeus and Ju-Patr.
If the priestess is the earthly reflection of the Goddess, it seems like the stars would be aspects of Goddess, not priestess. In other depictions, Virgo is the kite-headed stick figure, but in your image she has a box-like body, more so if the first leg star is connected as the body.
It gave me the thought that she represents the Pregnant Virgin, the primal mother. The only way in which life can come from one being is if that is a woman already pregnant with a son who becomes the consort. In the theology I call One Mind Dreaming, all of infinity exists within the Virgin's pregnant belly. We are the co-imaginers with Goddess.
You also led me to investigate Hydra, which has to be Ua Zet the serpent Goddess. Is there a reason that the Bull can't be the horned cow Baat? Are there twin stars for the testicles? And what makes Leo a lion and not Mehit the lioness? If the stone monument was facing her reflection on the equinox horizon in 10,000 BCE, it seems likely she was considered a lioness.
In our school we see Gods and Goddesses in every sign and planet...the farther back you do, you see both...even "Sun" is from Sunna a Goddess and the Moon is from Mona, a God....I would agree that base 10 is the hijack...BTW, we see Pluto as essentially feminine (underworld feminine) and categorically reject the astrology that stems from the allocation of the whole world to the three brothers!....check out this one: https://turningoftheages.com/considering-pluto/
It would be fun to have conversation with you.
I share a love of etymology with you, Daniel. What a find that 'consider' comes from 'with the stars' and 'sider' is the same root as sidereal!
In my book, I also make the distinction between money and wealth in this chapter: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/13-finance-is-an-extractive-industry. "Money is not wealth and wealth is not money.
Wealth is ownership of the capital: natural, physical, and human. Money is a means of organizing labor in the interests of whoever creates it. It can be used to extract the wealth FROM the community or to enhance and protect the wealth FOR the community." Wealth gives power over yourself and your own labor. Money, in its current creation, takes power over others by usurping ownership of the assets.
I was just writing in Unraveling the Baal that the de-storying (note the inversion of destroying) of Goddess happened in steps. First the manifestations of Goddess were divided into male and female. The masculine had power and was valorized even when evil and defeated, like the Nemean Lion becoming Leo the constellation. The feminine was subservient to the male, whether good or evil. She elevated and protected the throne even as Seckmet the bloodthirsty or Isis. From another chapter:
"In the Hurrian/ Horite/ Hittite myth, Kumarbi is the father of all gods. He has a stone child called Ullikummi, a double-peaked volcanic mountain in the Kizzuwatna territory of Anatolia. It is Ullikummi’s job to destroy Teshub, who is the consort of the Anatolian Goddess Hepat and considered by the Hittites to be the same deity as Arinna the Sun Goddess."
The Sun God/ Sky Father was the Great Hor, Dyeus Patr, Ra, El, Zeus, Jupiter, YHWH. All of patriarchy revolves around a masculine sun god by many names. Women have already been constrained to the underworld in Persephone and Inanna, and Ereshkigal as you say. They've been represented as chaos and irrational violence. These aren't empowering metaphors. They're projections of men.
It would be fun to have conversation. DM me and let's make that happen!
How do I DM? My email is danielgiamario@gmail.com....I have times next week. how so you prefer to meet? I am in the Philippines, depending on where you are for times.
If you live with the stars and sky, it is actually rather easy to visualize this...an ancient way was to see the stars behind a very young or very old Moon and relate that to the seasons.
Hi Tereza! Wow, what an article! Thank you so much for calling attention to Chloe Margarita's work (I subbed to her already). I love the whole thing about getting back in touch with the stars, figuring out where the come into play with one's chart, the mythology behind it, etc. I wasn't able to wrap my head around figuring out the part where you were "geeking out" as I'll have to do a deeper dive into how that works. I've been a stargazer pretty much all my life but saw them as remote cigarette tips burning a hole in the cosmos' gauzy gown. It also makes me recall one of my favorite Guillaume Apollinaire lines "And the remote stars are my untested masters"...
I also loved the inclusion of those poems about the stars and would like to humbly include one of my own here: https://victorypalace.substack.com/p/hymn-to-the-stars?r=1f37in for your cosmic enjoyment.
Oh and the other thing that kinda bugs me is that astro-fizz-assists will have us believe that the stars are dead; i.e. that the light we see is 1000s of light years old. Part of me wants to reject that notion, that the stars are very much ALIVE and blessing us with their divine light. (I know it's poetic license which I hope won't be revoked, lol).
I will be looking into Chloe's work further to see how to go about getting in touch with my stars.
Hope you're doing well, VP
Beautiful poem, VP! I love your metaphors for the stars: "an angel scattered flour across the night’s kitchen counter," "bioluminescent fishes swimming in celestial seas," and "A veritable zoo swirling with celestial deities going about their divine activities, as they beam down electromagnetic melodies through terrestrial portals to guide our human destinies."
Thank you for sharing that with us all! I will never revoke your poetic license ;-)
Interesting information,and way outside my wheelhouse. I'll start with newbie questions.
What does the 1-1300 mean?
When you say that the zodiac should have 13 months, which would corelate to 13 zodiac places(maybe? IDK) isn't Ophiuchus the 13th zodiac? I only listened to 1 podcast that mentioned Ophiuchus, so I'm not very familiar with it.
Last serious question, do you have an article, or resource that you can point me at, that goes more in depth on determining the fixed stars, or is that just part of a natal chart?
Ok silly now, every time I read Denebola, I chuckled at it, because I kept seeing "ebola den".
Does Denebola have any associations with gold and/or arsenic?
On supreme father sky gods and snakes:
"Baal plays a pivotal role in 14th century BCE in Ugarit, Northern Canaan, as the brother/ consort of the Goddess Anath who kills the serpent Lotan/ Lawtan, with Lat meaning Goddess. At the same time and place, Baal is the storm god of Mount Saphon. [68] In the Biblical post-Moses story of southern Canaan, he is the consort of the Goddess Ashtoreth.
"Stone points out that Mount Saphon appears in the Anatolian mythology of the supreme father god Kumarbi, who tells his volcano son to crush the consort of the goddess Hepat. It’s the same mountain name as the legend of Zeus, whose name comes from the Hiero/ Aryan supreme father god Dyeus Patr. He becomes the ruler of all by killing the serpent Typhon, identified with Set. The supreme father god of Hiero-Egypt, Ra, daily fights the serpent of darkness Zet for the sun to rise. The Egyptian Goddess who becomes Isis in Greek is Au Set and the Cobra Goddess of Lower Egypt is Ua Zit. [91]
"Another name for the great serpent that Ra fights is Apophis, the same as taken by the Heka Khasut Pharaoh. He represents the forces of chaos and darkness that tries to swallow the sun and the cosmic order every night. As primeval evil, he can never be killed. He was said to emerge from Ra’s umbilical cord or the saliva of the goddess Neith. So evil, being woman, can never be vanquished, it has to be subjugated daily again and again.
"In one myth, Apophis hypnotizes Ra and his followers, and only Set is able to stab him with his spear. In others, Set is Apophis, and the followers of Horus repel him with the help of Isis, Neith, gods in the form of monkeys, and the dead coming back in the form of the god Shu. Each time the divine order, called Ma’at, is restored. The divine order was Ba’at, the bull on top."
So Ophiuchus is a Hellenist myth, and the Hellenists were the Aryan rulers of Egypt, Sumer, Canaan and Greece. That constellation is something, but I think we should reimagine the ways that we connect the dots of the stars, and the stories they tell.
Also Den-Ebola as Ebola Den! I think you're on to something. Arsenic bronze was the primary weapon-material of the Aryans in 3000 BCE, which is why I say civilization ended then, when they made violence into a social norm. Ar-senic absolutely comes from Aryan, as does Ares/ Mars and Arslantepe, hill of the lion, which is where they originated. And gold! I've already made that connection with the Aryans. I didn't know about Ebola as arsenic poisoning but it makes so much sense. Thank you for that!
Thanks, I'll process that. I'm going to restack this reply to share the meme that connects arsenic poisoning to ebola. The arsenic-gold connection is that gold mining produces or releases a ton of arsenic into the atmosphere. Which is why many more Africans seems to get ebola, there many gold mines in Africa.
Yes, a big topic of my research a decade ago was the Canadian companies mining gold in Latin America, and the arsenic the processing leaves in the water, causing stunted growth among other things. That's why I object to those who think sustainable money is going back to the gold standard. The latin for gold is aurum, which I learned from some alchemist oracle cards, leading to its chemical sign AU. So Aryan is arsenic first used for bronze, is arsenic now used for aurum. Gold is the source of their power, not to get them back to their planet (as I've seen it) but to symbolize ownership of lives. It was the way slavery was put on steroids because it was small enough to carry a thousand man-years of labor in a purse.
Thank you for asking, Antila! As one nube to another, I love the chance to explore and explain. And since I'm mixing my own speculations with the edgy astrology that goes back beyond ancient, it's wonderful to have you engage with me in pushing the envelope.
Since I developed that chart awhile ago, I had to figure out what I meant by 1-1300 and found that AI can't add! I knew that I was calculating the period of precession in Base-12. It's an odd number of years in Base-10, and I think the original numbering system in prehistoric Egypt and Sumer was Base-12. So I asked AI was Base-12 1300 was, and it calculated that 1728 (12 to the 3rd power) plus 432 (3 x 12 to the 2nd power) = 1944.
But then I subtracted the intervals in the dates and it was 2160. If I ask AI what that is in Base-12, it's 1300 and it shows how to verify that by doing the reverse--correctly. So there's that.
What I'm saying is that the eons of the Great Year of 25,920 years could be represented by the years starting over at 1 each time the equinox rises on a new constellation, instead of the arbitrary Before Christ and Anno Domini, or even Common Era or the ever-changing Before Present Time (and why didn't they choose 2000 for the Present Time? SO much easier to calculate.)
But the zodiac should really be matching the actual constellations rising, if astrology is to have any meaning at all. So the sign shouldn't match the month but the constellation. And the months are moon-ths and should be matching the moons, which are 13 in one circle around the sun. This would make precession vary in terms of the size of the constellation. Rather than a simplistic division into 12, it should have each sign as a unique proportional size.
Ophiuchus is so interesting! I hadn't researched that before. The man wrestling the snake corresponds to research I was just doing for OMGdess, I'll continue that in another comment later today!
Thank you Tereza. That makes sense and reminds me of a story.
Did you know that the native american greeting of raising up one hand, open palmed and saying "how," was a test they used to make sure you only had 5 digits, instead if 6? The 6 digited people were canibals and mortal enemies if all the tribes. The 6 digited people are the nephilim, aka hybrids of fallen angels and mankind.
The Egyptian small g gods were all fallen angels with 6 digits also.
All this to say, maybe the reason for the base 12 time keeping was the same reason mankind uses base 10.
Thoughts?
Interesting, Antila. That story seems to combine two opposite concepts. Were the Nephilim and Egyptian gods primitive dunces who could only count on their fingers? Or were they responsible for bringing advanced civilization, along with evil, to humans who were finger-counting dunces?
From my research, neither of these were true. Advanced civilizations existed as far back as 10,000 BCE when the Great Pyramid and Mehit monument (Sphinx in its defaced version) were built. They were Goddess cultures in which sex was sacred and violence was condemned--with the consequence that men who committed violence would never have sex. It was an effective deterrent.
Then women were made dependent on men in order to raise their children. Sex was the currency paid by women to the men and violence was the currency paid by men to the archons. This is the system promoted in the bible.
If the celestial order has created evil in the form of fallen angels who dominate us, I think we're sunk. If patriarchy has authorized violence, the solution is obvious--enable women to raise children securely without dependence on a man. We all want men to be involved but not at the price of violence: to ourselves, to our children, to others.
Oh and cannibalize comes from Canaan and Baal. But it's YHWH who demands the sacrifice of the firstborn--what better way to control the mother? Everything in the bible is a projection and an inversion. Canaan was a Goddess society that never would have tolerated child sacrifice. And Baal is an inversion of the cow Goddess Baat. I'm just finishing my chapter, Unravelling the Baal.
Those are my thoughts, obviously I've given a lot of them to this topic.