Fun and playful, a sign of it going to the heart of something that might be real on a day when Reality hasn't checked us out of the self-serving line.
Many years ago I did a dream experiment as part of my exploration of Jung and dreams. The question was 'How do I know that I am not at this moment dreaming? That I will wake up to something else and this that I think is 'real' will simply be quickly forgotten, if even remembered, or dismissed as just a silly dream?' The answer: there is absolutely no way to know that!
With time it became an interesting challenge because I'd become adept, with practice, of excellent dream recall and eventually there were times I had a hard time distinguishing between my (so-called) 'awake' diurnal life that is ostensibly real, and the ostensibly dismissible 'real' dream worlds.
What makes this particularly interesting for me at this time, is that in the same way that the Taoists (and Robert Pirsig described in Zen in the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance) there is a difference that is not actually perceptible by the the so-called Reality-focused 5 senses. There is something else.
What is that something else? Love is as good a possibility as anything else!
And going to the Yoga practices as well articulated by Patañjali who echoed Guatama, our first challenge of seeing 'real' the illusion of reality, is to begin to see properly without being deluded by the noise and glitter of that attracts the five senses. What is that which is seeing without senses? Perhaps it is another word for love as well. The one-mind concept you put forward would be another version of that, too.
I love this query. Although I am biased, as you know, given that in many ways much of my writing is an exploration of this question, too.
Do my rambles help? Likely not, although I have no idea of course because communication is perhaps one of the grandest miracles of Life and proof of something beyond our senses. And the pony tails and cheetah spots added play to the words and beyond the delight of the smile they brought to my heart, did not diminish your argument. Although, of course, can I be sure of that? [Headshake.] Life, whatever it is, truly has a wicked, perhaps even devilish, sense of humour!)
Oh I'm glad the pony tails and cheetah spots made you smile!
During dance class, a flu that was sneaking up on me, clobbered me with a sledgehammer. So I'm glad I recorded ahead of time, pigtails and all, but I may get some sleep before responding to your delightful and multilayered comment! Talk more tomorrow.
I'll reply to myself so it goes to all three of my well-wishers. This morning I'm feeling reborn, if wrung out, but last night was one of the most miserable I can remember. At 6 I dosed myself with Chinese herbs, dandelion tea and nyquil (talk about being agnostic ;-) But from 9 on, I kept waking with fever, aches and nausea (always the worst). But here's the thing--when I woke up, there would be some conflict I needed to resolve: Israel/ Palestine, Ukraine/ Russia, WEF/ the rest of us, reality/ illusion. Talk about something to make you feel sick! I'd have to go back to one of the lines from the Course, "I am not a body, I am free, for I am still as God created me." I wouldn't say it worked but it did get me out of making myself even more miserable about things I couldn't do anything about.
Taking it easy today and being gentle with myself. Thanks for your kind wishes!
Get well, Pussy Cat! LOL! That slid off my fingers!!! Where did that come from?
For some reason your directing our attention to your playing with costume — which is great to stretch ourselves out of our personas! — brought it to my fingers and then my mind something with pussycats? What is it...
Ahhhhh. Got it. Tom Jones - likely an unconscious link to the Tom Jones's cover of Iggy Pops' 'Lust for Life' that I included in my play list. https://youtu.be/I6iuXtFagpQ
Now that I have time and coherence for a deeper response to your thoughtful comment, Guy, your experiment in dreams is so revealing. You are asking this question at an essential level!
It feels to me that you're touching the heart of it when you say 'communication is perhaps one of the grandest miracles of Life and proof of something beyond our senses.' Yes! I think that could sum up the Course in a nutshell. The 'real' world is communication, the communion of minds. Not opposed to the physical world, the beauty of which Kathleen just brought to our attention: https://devanneykathleen.substack.com/p/its-just-another-day. But more, perhaps, the reality shining through the sensory world, making it a beautiful dream.
Yes, 'the essential level.' It definitely was and has only taken another 30 years of dedicated work to undo the embodied schisms from childhood to more fully actualise that 'essential' in living a life that breaths up from the body into the existence life and then all those engaging and pesky non-physical things we delight in even when we are delighting in our misery of them.
The link to Kathleen was delightful and may very likely inform in some way my current essay very slowly in process.
Alas, ’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves...' Oops. I think I meant to write something like 'tis brilliant to be relaxed in the wash of words which we dream and which dream us.'
Have you read Clif High on Patañjali and his Yoga? He claims that, like the Torah, the book "only deals with the space aliens technology, and its ‘mind-to-machine’ interface."
Clif High is such an original thinker, always interesting to read. I bought a copy of Patanjali's Sutras based on Russell Brand's recommendation. But they didn't speak to me so I gave them to my daughter. Maybe I'll get them back since I don't think they spoke to her either.
Later this week I'm exploring the question 'What is the Bible?' and the Elohim theory would be a good one to add to the 'realm of possibilities.' The questions I'd be asking are 'What does it matter? What would it change?'
The Elohim theory, however, would be past the fork in the road I'm talking about here:
1) The physical world is reality, as verified by the sensory perceptions of our independent minds. 2) The physical world is not reality because our minds are not independent.
Both of these are hypotheses, it's just that one is the hypothesis we live by. I really liked Amy's comment below that "you hold them in your mind and wait for more correlating information." That's what I'm going for in this post.
Yes, Clif is nothing if not an original! His work on the Elohim is the product of a small study group of linguists of which he is a member.
Can't wait for your "What is the Bible?" post. "A story book" would be my answer - as far as the English translations are concerned anyway. Francis Bacon was a great writer!
As for reality, that's above my pay grade for the time being; but I would opt for thesis (2). My understanding is that the only thing that's real in the "reality" we inhabit is our souls. Everything else is a creation of our intent.
If you're taking on the Elohim and Old Testament, keep in mind too, Paul Wallis, who has written a series of book (have not read them, but have listened to him on probably 6 different interviews) on Eden.
He's in the same camp with Biglino that OT is actually an account of these other beings who came here and took over. I like his presentation and he was also a Christian minister for 30 plus years.
Hello, Kathleen, and beautiful post today, as I mentioned in my reply to Guy.
I'm thinking that I'll list the Elohim as one hypothesis to the question What is the Bible? but will leave it to you and Tirion to make the argument for that.
Where I get stuck with that hypothesis is what difference it would make? It seems that it would be saying there are otherworldly being in control of us and there's nothing we can do about it, whether they're malevolent or benevolent.
But if the Elohim actually represent mere humans who think they're gods, it would be useful to expose that. Maybe I'm not understanding the significance, though. I'll look forward to your thoughts and I'm glad you're researching this to add to my knowledge.
I get your point - and in a way it doesn't make any difference in terms of what we have to do as humans in charge of our own lives.
But as beings who are part of a much larger cosmos with a far bigger history, it matters.
It mows down mental walls.
I think there have been a multiples of many beings, none of which were God, though humans may have thought so, if they had tech we'd never seen? If they appeared far more advanced.
I think benevolent and not so benevolent are in the mix too. Complicated soup.
Pushing out the context matters. Knowing what's going behind the many-curtains, matters. So yeah, I think it matters.
I have. It is a great discussion and I think a perfect tie in with Tereza's idea here about 'What is reality?'
I don't dismiss High's argument as he does a credible job of linking the benefits we see, even in the relatively incomplete state the sutras may be and relative to their 'real' purpose as described by High. The requirements of the mind for an effective mind-to-machine interface just happens to be the same thing that creates healing in our mind-body continuum. (Which I'm looking at a bit more closely in my current essay, under construction.)
I've pondered this reality for quite some time b/c of several things that have happened, once to our 3 yr. old son, once to me, and another time to my brother.
Our son, John, and his dad were driving to the store, where John, in a silly way, told his dad he was going to tell the policeman that his dad made the tree fall. On their way back from the store, a large fir tree had fallen across the road and the fire department was there removing it.
My brother worked at a convenient store, when he was a teenager, and had a dream the store was robbed, and he was shot and killed. The dream upset him so much, he didn't go to work the next day, and the store was robbed at gunpoint, but no one was killed.
I awoke one morning, with a strong feeling that my older teenage daughter was to not get in the car with the guy she was dating due to a possible accident. She thought I was being overly protective, but I was very momma-bear adamant about it. She did not, but he was in not just one, but two accidents that day, one of which was right down the road from us. He was not hurt, but who knows what might have happened to her.
So, my biggest question about all 3 scenarios is how can one know the future if it hasn't already happened - if it isn't in some kind of program? I've had other strange things happen in my life, as well, so I definitely question this reality.
It does seem like your life is telling you things aren't the way they seem, Rhonda. I agree with Nefahotep and will raise him one further ;-) I think that time is moving backwards to its source. It's like a soap bubble of nothingness that's shrinking as we have no more need of blame and guilt and fear, the un[w]holy trinity.
Logically, time and eternity can't co-exist, just like space and infinity are mutually exclusive. In order to calibrate something, you need a starting point. If time is real, what came before it? If space is real, what is beyond it? It's only Consciousness zipping along an infinity loop of the eternal Present that makes sense.
The true nature of Time is actually not sequential. What we think we experience in time as sequentiality is our own mind's way of processing the experience.
We experience the Movement of time, yet the "Present" is all there really is. The 'past' is already gone and the 'future' is not manifest yet.
We are able to get glimpses of the Truth, a bit at a time, because consciousness is not constrained by Space/ Time. Rather, Consciousness is what makes the experience of time possible. We are ultimately pure consciousness.
I'll reply to Nefahotep to ouroboros both of you ;-) Rhonda, I think you'll also be interested in Nefahotep's comments later in this thread.
I love what you're saying, Rhonda. At one point, Guy felt I was deriding dream analysis by saying that the world was 'just' a dream. But that wasn't what I meant. I think that everything we're doing here is dream analysis, in the Jungian sense that everything in the dream represents an aspect of us. I'm not sure that any of it is nonsense but I don't often remember my 'sleeping' dreams.
Unscrambling the words is your gift or 'present.' I think Guy would confirm that Jungian dream analysis often looks at word play. In that sense, it doesn't really matter whether translators would have been 'in on it.' It's a clue, a message, that's yours to figure out.
The tower of Buy Bull is great. Along with the encoded military strategy is, I think, an encrypted mythology of why we're hiding from Reality in this dream. It all goes back to guilt but not as a real thing, as our delusion of guilt. So the serpent 'presenting' the gift is important, not as Truth but as allegory.
Something rings very true in our nature of empathy keeping us stuck. We want to see ourselves as small, powerless, victims. To do anything else seems like arrogance.
I'm grateful to be having this conversation with both of you!
I'll have to go back to the main thread and read Nefahotep's other comments. Thank you for the heads up:)
Some of my dreams I used to have had nonsensical info in them, like there being monkeys in the bathroom with me, as one example. Lol! Still not sure what that represented, except remembering I was afraid and trying to escape. I did have an abusive childhood, both physically and mentally, but others have had it far worse. It did serve a purpose, however, in forming me into a skeptic and one that is not afraid.
Interesting about "hiding from Reality!" That tells me we're hiding from being possessed, as if we're realty (I Realty). Seriously, I think something here wants to possess us, in so many ways, but who and why, or is that even the case.
Anyway, I once had a very supernatural experience (yr. 2000), where I was ready to leave my husband and children, basically run away, as we had just finished building our home, of which I designed and managed, we were living in a small dingy old cabin while building, my dad had had a stroke and I was caring for him, and my children were 12 and 10, so I was very overwhelmed. I went up to our back pasture to contemplate what I was going to do, and just sat in my truck, basically crying and yelling out to God just who was he, did he even exist, and what did all this mean. All of a sudden, a very peaceful calm came over me, unlike anything I've ever experienced, and these words were spoken very clearly within my head, to, I believe, answer my question of who he was: "I am many generations of people." I then realized that there were 4 very large images in the big fir trees surrounding me - 2 directly in front of me and 2 on my left. They were not silhouettes formed in the branches but were very clear images of their heads. The one directly in front of me, who was looking directly towards me, was an image of an older man with mussy hair, a scruffy beard, and he wore round spectacles, whom I got the sense he was a scholar (tree of knowledge?). On his right, and not looking at me, was an image of a long-bearded man that appeared to be Jesus with a very kind look on his face, and he was looking towards the other man. To my left, was a woman with long flowing hair, which was the only movement in any of the images, and she was directly facing the other man that was looking directly at me, and that Jesus was looking towards. He had a shorter scruffy beard, with shorter curly hair, and had a more serious look. I couldn't help focusing on the "scholar," in front of me, however, b/c he somehow commanded my attention. I even opened and closed my eyes in disbelief, but the images remained. I was then instructed, without words, to turn on my CD player, of which I did, and was led to stop and listen to one song, from the Message in a Bottle soundtrack that I had just purchased. The song was called "I Could Not Ask for More." I'll let you listen to the answers I received -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxUd76Q27LM
Strangely, the one song I purchased that CD for, was the song, "Fallen Angels," stating they fell straight from heaven. Anyway, while I was distracted with the song, the images just disappeared. Another strange thing, is that the tree the "scholar" was in, fell at some point, in the next year. Also, before it fell, I had gone and sat at the base of the tree meditating, and when I came back, I had lost my reading glasses, so went back to retrieve but they weren't there. Perhaps he needed a new pair of glasses? :) All I can say is that I do hold two conflicting thoughts/beliefs within myself, in regard to what transpired and what I now see in the Bible. I just know I don't ever want to "fall" for another lie, of which I probably will.
Lastly, I could not figure out who the other man, in the "TREE" to my left, was, until about 4 or more months ago. I had even been watching this guy's videos for well over a year, not realizing it, until he talked about the serpent in the tree and equated it to the vaccines, like I've mentioned. Guess what his name is? Del BIGTREE! And he looks darn near identical to the image I saw in the BIG TREE, over 23 years ago! I have no doubt he's been sent to help humanity. I think you have been, as well. You do have an angelic sense about you, that I felt immediately, when first watching your video, so thank you for that. OK, I'm not going to say anymore, as this has been long enough. I hope you're feeling better:)
Let me respond in some semblance of order to this delightful and encouraging comment.
The monkeys in the bathroom seem like they could definitely be a reference to your abusive childhood. I've never found that 'other people have it worse' makes me feel any better. It just makes me feel even worse because I can't even feel sorry for myself ;-) But I'm sure it made you into who you are today, and I selfishly can't be sorry for that.
What a fascinating vision. I listened to the whole song and imagined you in that truck. I'm going to throw out my guesses on the scholar and 'Jesus,' which is exceedingly rude to do to someone else's vision but try them on for size.
I wonder if the scholar could have been Zadok or Saduk the Pharisee, founder of the Sadducees and co-founder of the zealots? The description seems stereotypically Jewish. The Sadducees rejected the Torah, so all the things you're finding out in your research could be imparted directly from Zadok. Maybe you didn't need that tree anymore.
And the look of compassion makes me think of Judas, known as the healer, the Christ who saw the Christ in everyone else. Jesus wasn't actually a very nice person. He yelled and berated his disciples, called them idiots who couldn't do anything right. Judas cared about the poor, who Jesus said would always be around, unlike him.
I don't have a guess as to the woman. That's pretty funny about Del Bigtree and seems apropos for a word lady ;-) Your muse would have a sense of humor.
Thank you for that confidence in me. I'm still moving pretty slow and thinking even slower. My illusions of shaking this off quickly have gotten more down to earth, angelic sense and all ;-)
And I think you need a new name for your seer role--Cassrhonda! But this time, telling the truth in a way that can be heard, as I wished for in naming my youngest.
I truly appreciate your input of the vision, esp. seeing as I've sometimes even wondered if I was being fooled...the skeptic in me. It certainly gave me profound peace and helped me better endure a difficult time, and I'm ever so thankful for that reason.
And YES, you are right that all three male images were stereotypically Jewish (not sure about the woman), and I never thought about that. I think Bigtree even has some Jewish ethnicity, but also Native American. Interesting about Zadok and Judas. That's something I need to delve into. Thank you for giving me those thoughts:)
I agree about Jesus! Even though I think there are good parts of the Bible, both Testaments, I just can't put any faith in it, based on the obvious lies. I've even thought that perhaps the image they have presented of Jesus is not who they claim. I never knew who the other man or woman were, but the man was certainly a striking resemblance of Bigtree. I only saw the side of woman, so she won't be identifiable, but I did find that the word, "comet" comes from meaning long flowing hair, and that Lucifer, as I previously mentioned, was a comet. Then a few years later this happened.
After the people moved from next door, and we bought their place, I saved one of her flowering bulbs. It grew a beautiful red flower, but I had no idea what it was. A hummingbird would dive-bomb this one flower over and over and I had never seen that before. It was quite entertaining. Then I was at Home Depot, and saw the same flower, so went to see what it was. It was called Lucifer. That blew my mind, as I had saved Lucifer! Lol! Perhaps there was a Lucifer who tried to tell the truth about the evildoers, and they put Jesus in his place. Both are morning stars.
You are so right about the muse! We all have them, and they do love a good joke:) I was telling a joke on my patio one day, and almost simultaneously to finishing it, a woodpecker (Flicker) started cackling as if he was laughing his butt off. It was the funniest thing ever. We all cracked up laughing:) It's as if the trees, birds, and everything else alive, is all a part of what's going on around us. It's a crazy and wonderful place, minus the bad stuff. Oh, how I wish the bad would go away. Perhaps in the next life.
Lastly, who is Cassandra? Also, what did you name your youngest daughter? Cassandra? I hope you get better soon!! And no need to write back if you're not up to it. You need to rest! Thank you again, for this very thought-provoking reply!
Rhonda, I love your free association. There's no question that we're getting at something elemental here, and I'll direct Nefahotep back here in a response to him because I think he'd be very interested.
To wonder if you're being fooled is to wonder if you are a fool, which you most clearly are not. I think the gift you've been given is to see through the Buy Bull to the next level, and unravel the truth from the lies. Remember that propaganda works both ways by interweaving truth and lies. If you reject the truth because you recognize the lies, they've still won. The Bible only has power because of the Truth in it.
That's so interesting about Del Bigtree. I now wonder if his figure represents all indigenous cultures (to which we all belong, somewhere back). What does your intuition say?
And I'm FASCINATED by the connection of the woman to Lucifer. Of course! How could I have been so blind to this? As we've talked about, women don't even exist in the Buy Bull, other than as personifications of territories 'owned'. Where are the women? Your unidentifiable woman is all women, who became Lucifer, Eve, the snake, the serpent, the crawling on the belly downtrodden foe.
What do you mean, 'Both are morning stars'? Love the story of the cackling woodpecker!
Yes, Cassandra is my youngest and the one I most often quote in my stack. She can be obstinate and inconsiderate, but also eerily prescient and insightful. And I'm feeling enough better that I'm tentatively thinking to go to dance class in an hour. Whoo-hoo!
Tereza and Nefahotep - Both of your explanations are very interesting and make logical sense to me, so thank you for sharing them:) I'll share a few thoughts of my own.
So, you know how when we dream and then awaken, we try and make sense of it, b/c some of it is nonsensical yet other parts are relatable. That's the way I feel when I'm awake. I personally feel as if the language is garbled - as if I were dyslexic - therefore I try and unscramble the words to help me better understand the underlying meaning of what's really being communicated or shown to me. I feel as if I'm living in the tower of Babel/babble/Bible/Buy Bull every day. In my opinion, the 'present' isn't even attainable. It's more like the creator of memories, since it's a moment that moves infinitely faster than the speed of light. To dig into the word 'present' and what it 'presents' us with, is revealing to me, however.
Present (n.) - instant, current, gift.
Present (v.) - to offer, to stage, to put forward.
Pre-Sent - 'pre-' meaning before something significant, in front of, and 'sent' (v.) to make something go from one place to another.
Present also "spells" Serpent and Repents.
Serpent (n.) - snake - (v. obsolete) - to wind or meander, to encircle (like the ouroboros or the bubble).
Repents (v.) - to feel pain, sorrow, regret, to seek forgiveness.
What I'm trying to 'present' is that we were captured in this bubble/ouroboros by a serpent that was presenting us with a gift, and we fell for it, and became imprisoned due to our nature of empathy/sorrow for the captor. And like those in Plato's cave that were probably drawn into the pitiful serpent's lair, and who can't or don't want to see that they are captive (suffering Stockholm syndrome or whatever), will remain captured or asleep in this staged and fake loop, whereby continuously watching the spell-casting flickering shadows (screen projections) on the walls (screens).
My shared experiences, and others I didn't share, have shown me there's way more going on here, as you both know, and it all guides me (or us) into freeing myself, and hopefully others, from this imprisonment of our minds.
Yuval Noah Harari, your and my favourite transhumanist, writes the following paragraph about “happiness”. I am going to replace the word “happiness” with “reality”
“So perhaps reality [sic] is synchronising one’s personal delusions of meaning with the prevailing collective delusions. As long as my personal narrative is in line with the narratives of the people around me, I can convince myself that my life is meaningful, and find reality [sic] in that conviction.”
Source: Sapiens: A Brief History of Mankind’ by Yuval Noah Harari
So interesting, Julius. YNH really is an original thinker despite his delusions of superiority and willingness to be the erudite stooge of the WEF.
I would go back, though, to his word of 'happiness' although reality works too, for an atheist. Synonyms for God are purpose, meaning, reality, truth. For Harari, none of these exist. There is no inherent purpose to life. There is no truth, just competing narratives.
What the Course would say is that denial of our purpose leads to unhappiness. Meaning exists, irrespective of our understanding of it. But Harari would say it doesn't and the pursuit of meaning leads to unhappiness. Better to go with the consensus.
Unless of course, you're a superior intellect like him and then you can find meaning by telling other people there is none!
I've got a busy morning but can later. If you are on X you will have seen Chabad, tunnels or NYPD trending for the last 2 days nearly 24 hrs a day. Given who controls most of the media it is difficult to find conventional sources. Does that make the story any less important or true? I'll leave that up to each individual to determine.
This is an excellent conversation Tereza, there are a few things that I consider enhances the topic of "Reality."
You wrote:
"And maybe there's a distinction to be made with lowercase words that addressed Nefahotep's idea that a sovereign individual should never use 'I am' statements followed by a noun. Maybe it could be only proper nouns that are limiting?" [And ..... ]
"So I would define Reality, uppercase, as that which has no opposite, simply What Is. The absence of Reality is illusion but it doesn’t oppose it, it just isn’t there."
"I am" is the linguistic announcement of Being, that is addressing the "Knower" or Quiet Friend that is the true Observer of things from behind the Mind's eye.
First, I will say that Linguistic formation and structure has it's own element of limitations. Once we create a name or term for something, it immediately limits that within our own eye, as to what it is, what it's possible experience might be. Language itself is a system of micro definitions, humans in their language have built an agreement of "Definitions," a form of meaning that is in a "Static" sustained pattern of interaction we are so used to in language, that it can be easy to take for granted.
Secondly, there is "Meaning" in the sense that there can be a dynamic experience of perception relative to a Name. So, "I am" works well in front of a Name because culturally, names were always thought to convey layers of deep personal Meaning; this effectively honors the inner Self that is the person being addressed. Unfortunately, we have gotten into a habit of putting a regular "noun" after our "I am" statement like this: "I am a Citizen." Or "I am a piece of paper." Or "I am a triangle." How about saying something like: "I am hungry." Or "I am tired." All these examples are limiting and diminishing the true stature of Being, "I am." [States of being are thus limiting Infinite Being]
States of being are experiences that Being is currently having, the way we often say them is reducing Being.
In my experience, Being is actually already an action word because it is Consciousness in the movement of life. So, to show linguistic respect to Being, I say: "I am holding a Citizenship." Or "I am feeling a little hunger right now." "I am" followed by a Verb
So, can something with Meaning be Defined? No, and here is why; two examples:
Freedom is natural; when we frame it as "Liberty," that is an enumeration and definition.
Another example: Is a dog really free while he walks with you at the end of a leash? By putting him on a leash, you are giving him Liberty, by cutting the leash, you are giving him back his Freedom.
A name "could" be defined, but it could also hold many -- many meanings.
Can something with Definition have Meaning? Intellectually it can seem that meaning comes from things that have defining characteristics. For the Religious; a Church and Bible, having a great deal of "Definition" also carries for them a huge sense of "Meaning." It depends on the Individual.
There are NO opposites, even though it may appear that way.
You wrote:
"The absence of Reality is illusion but it doesn’t oppose it, it just isn’t there." The question of Reality vs Illusion can be framed differently: If what Reality is -- is our experience, and there are other aspects to "Reality" that we are not experiencing presently, does that fact make it Illusion?
Perhaps an even better way to frame this is: Is Reality the same as Truth? My short answer is No, It is Truth that has no opposite. Reality is the specific experience we are having, individually.
It can also be said that Illusion is not the full meaning intended by the word, that what is perceived as Illusion is something in a transitory state of "Becoming." Truth is immutable, is continuously becoming more Realized into the Individualized Consciousness. As Spiritual Evolution progresses, Truth becomes more clearly experienced and sight of the Seer becomes part of the Human Nature.
There's so much more that can be said about this, if I can get time enough, I will do a posting on this topic.
It's a sign of a good comment when I have to read each line multiple times, Nefahotep.
On two of your points, I was halfway there before you wrote. When I considered if it would make a difference if the noun following 'I Am' was proper or generic, they both seemed limiting even when I wrote it.
And I had a hard time coming up with opposites, to answer Goeff's request for a definition, once I eliminated the mere absence or negation of one side. Is peace the absence of war? Not really. It's so much more and, possibly, not dependent on war's absence.
Even red and green contain the other as lightwaves and are only what the surface doesn't absorb and instead, reflects back. So a green-appearing object is really red because it absorbs the red spectrum and vice-versa. It IS its opposite.
What I will ask you to consider is the difference between experience and perception, ala Reality. It seems that attributing 'Reality' to 8 billion separate and disparate experiences, many of them in conflict with each other, is to say there is no Reality. If I perceive you to be my enemy, then that's reality. If I perceive you to be my friend, that's reality too. Reality is mutable depending on my ability to see it. It seems like Reality and Truth should be synonymous.
One of my favorite lines from the Course is 'Perception is projection.' It seems like Reality should be reserved for the I Am. There would be no point in comparing notes to come closer to the I Am if there was nothing beyond our individual perceptions.
But maybe this is semantics? And isn't that the point ;-)
It only "looks like" semantics, yet in matters of the seer we are likely in our best form to do our best to "see." Linguistics can get a bit tedious, yet we can only do our best.
So, let me attempt something a little different:
There is NOT one world with 7.5 Billion Lives in it, there is ONE Life that has 7.5 Billion Worlds in it.
All of the above you stated are extremely sharp observations and I love it!!
One thing I make a effort to do is point out that the perception from where "I am" currently observing all "THIS" is from the experience of the ONE.
You wrote:
"Reality is mutable depending on my ability to see it. It seems like Reality and Truth should be synonymous." ------ This could be an area where there is a stumbling bloc, I'll attempt another way of putting it: OK, so In Hindu ways of thinking there is Advitya (अद्वितीय )Vedanta meaning "unique, the first one. There is no second. The Sun or one which has no end, Synonym of Sun or One which has No End." This is a word that comes from the Vedic term: Aditi meaning the "Solar Race" -- beings that came from light. Then there is Purna advida Vedanta; meaning absolutely ALL there is --- Oneness. Purna by itself means "Completeness."
I could summarize by saying that ALL the Reality we experience is in fact, Subjective to the Divine Self and that the concept of "Objectivity," is merely a construct of the mind. The Truth is then an, Infinite experience of many Realities. As my teacher would say: "There are Worlds within Worlds."
I love these conversations, Tereza and I have to say, you are digging very deep indeed.
Oh now you're really challenging my definition of definition not including a form of the word!
Let me try this on for size: An equal force on the same continuum where Qualifier B contains none of Qualifier A but is not its negation or absence. So red would be the opposite of green but darkness would not be the opposite of light.
PS: Light does not exist. It's basically all in our head. It's a psychophysical phenomenon that requires an intact nervous system that perceives a certain small fraction of electromagnetic spectrum as "light."
I always enjoy your articles, and because you seem such a nice, and interesting person, I listened to this one despite the question not striking me as interesting.
Provocative and largely more interesting than I expected; you lost me at the point where you referred to "reality" and"the World" as different things, without explanation. ("Lost me" as in I couldn't understand - not that you lost my attention).
Xoxo
I believe you've read my "Coping With Disagreement and Being Wrong" article (which is really about these epistemological questions), but others may find it helpful.
I love that we get to have long-form conversations with each other's stacks! And I also have the same feeling about you. I find your relationship with your wife particularly endearing, which is why I sent Goeff your way, who also seems to have survived to retirement with [the same?] woman and their sense of humor intact! I'm glad my halo effect got you to listen ;-)
I hadn't read this article but really like it. I got Thinking Fast & Slow in audio because I loved the title but then never listened. I will need to find it again, I'm definitely a Slow Thinker.
What I was referring to with the world and Reality was that there are two equally valid hypotheses: 1) The physical world is reality, as verified by the sensory perceptions of our independent minds. 2) The physical world is not necessarily reality because our minds are not independent. Maybe you're 99% sure that 1) is true but as long as 2) is logically valid, should you reserve 1% of doubt?
I love your memes in the post but what is it, if not a parrot? Now it's going to drive me crazy!
Oh wow! Seeing the tail as a leg helped but it wasn't until I assumed her eyes were closed, with the parrot eye painted, that I got the right orientation. That's one of the best optical illusions I've ever seen!
Hello Tereza, I love those pig tails! I couldn't stop staring at them until halfway thru I saw all those flowers! Whatever the occasion, I wish you happiness! In my dreams it is easy to avoid or change a perceived danger and sometimes fairly quickly as sometimes I abruptly wake up. But in my reality I have to manage or deal with the perceived danger and try to find a solution which doesn't happen so quickly as in dreams. That is one difference I can think of. As far as people being in the same mind set, that is the coolest thing ever! It's like you belong to this world harmony. I love and strive to be in the harmony of the world, even as I go about the mundane things in my day. It makes those ordinary chores more exciting. Thank you for sharing your Happiness
I hate to quote pop songs but 'I can buy myself flowers' ;-) There's a rose vendor at the farmer's market who sells a dozen long-stem for $10 and the bouquet filler roses for $6. I went there today and announced that I was going to limit myself to one bunch and everyone around should hold me to it. Of course I came home with two. You'll see them soon.
That's good dream control when you can wake yourself up! If I wake from something disturbing, I sometime have to write a happy ending that solves the problem or it pesters me all day, making me feel doomed. But you and I both share that problem-solving obsession.
I love the idea of the world harmony! I will be thinking of it as I go back to organizing my main junk drawer. It's time to bring harmony and throw the disharmonious out!
Don’t know how I missed this exquisite post. That’s some major mind boggling exercises of thought. Gonna have to read more into some of this. Of particular interest in reality is the whole dreaming stuff. You know, when I was a kid I had lots of dreams of dying. I’d always wake up after I got shot or fell off the cliff or drowned to death. The sensation in those dreams were the same as when I died once in real life for a spell long after I stopped having those dreams.
And also, you wear those cheetah spots as good as a cheetah! And holy moly, thanks for getting through the memelanche. 😮
“So I would define Reality, uppercase, as that which has no opposite, simply What Is. The absence of Reality is illusion but it doesn’t oppose it, it just isn’t there.” - Tereza Coraggio
“Reality is what you can get away with.” - Robert Anton Wilson.
RAW was influenced by Alfred Korzybski’, whose most famous quote, “The map is not the territory”, is self-evident (though abandoned). No representation is the thing represented. Indeed, outside the abstract world of mathematical R/reality, A is not A, every word and symbol a lie. But that does not mean that maps are not useful or accurate. In any territory unfamiliar to me, a map is useful...so long as I’m trying to find things that others have already found (and named/defined). This is quite different from just setting off exploring terra incognito and finding what I find.
RAW’s statement is not a map. While it uses the dangerous “is” word, and while it seems to have all the Aristotelian qualities of a definition, I think RAW is not defining at all. If he ever had a map, he burned it (or, more likely, smoked it). The last thing a true explorer wants is a map, and the great explorers never publish their map after their explorations. Neither Socrates nor Buddha nor Jesus ever wrote a word (that we know of). In fact, explorers, especially those who find treasure, intentionally throw us off the track. (“Render unto Caesar that which is Caeser’s.”) No prudent priate makes an *accurate* map to his treasure. The most secure passwords are misspellings. Tricksterism is always the pinnacle of human and divine endeavor; delusion is the most fundamental of Platonic ideals. This is why (as John Boorman noticed) “fiction is truth unimpeded by facts”, and it is why myth surpasses rational argument. All modern academic disciplines—philosophy, science, psychology, mathematics, history, etc.—fussily follow the maps and view any further exploration as heresy. For me, RAW’s statement tells me almost nothing solid: it does not explain nor direct nor guide nor teach; it does not persuade; it doesn’t rely on logic; it doesn’t care what I do with it. Yet, it makes me endlessly think about it without limitation. Most importantly, it triggers imagination and helps re-enchant this disenchanted version of the world.
That response I wrote is inadequate to the number of times I've read this, getting more out of it each time. In Wildrhody's comment above she mentions neologisms, which I remember you saying you loved, but I'm thinking that was on the Argument episode. And yet I think that you and she are speaking similar languages with your maps and symbols that lie. Especially with:
"No prudent pirate makes an *accurate* map to his treasure. The most secure passwords are misspellings. Tricksterism is always the pinnacle of human and divine endeavor; delusion is the most fundamental of Platonic ideals."
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. ["The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived."] I believe I first ran across this concept in something Martin Buber wrote. With the recent flagrant genocide in Gaza, it has recently become central to my own contemplation.
Interesting. As you know, I've been encapsulating the formula of the Shemitic dynasty as Secrecy Within, Deception Without. I saw a quote in a video as "Through deception shall you make war." But it didn't have an attribution. Your quote fits with the idea that there needs to be a willingness to be deceived, clues that are there for those with eyes to see. Is it a saying of Plato's?
X posts are disappearing fast. This one is probably destined for the memory hole. Lessons have been learned from previous instances of unwelcome truths leaking out into human conscience.
The nature of Reality has of course always been the fundamental philosophical and "theological" question. It has never ever been satisfactorily answered by Western philosophers and "theologians", and indeed it cannot be because the Western mind is dualistic all-the-way-down. Everything thus proposed is based upon this dualism, and actively reinforces it to - despite its seeming good intentions.
It perhaps could be said that the very best Advaitic & Buddhist philosophers who have actually Realized the non-dual condition have been uniquely qualified to answer this question.
Ramana Maharshi is the best know modern example of such.
More ancient ones are Nagarjuna. The authors of the Tripura Rahasya, the Avadhut Gita, the Ashtavakra Gita, the Ribhu Gita. And of course Shankara in various writings
Hi, Jonathan. Could you paraphrase what these philosophers say about What is Reality? To have a conversation about ideas, I feel that we need to put our understanding in our own words, otherwise it's an appeal to authority. If there's a third answer to the fork in the road I described to Tirion, I'm curious to hear it:
1) The physical world is reality, as verified by the sensory perceptions of our independent minds. 2) The physical world is not reality because our minds are not independent.
On the chance that it might stimulate further discussion among people who can think for themselves, i believe the New York tunnels will be another litmus test to determine real information from disinformation, similar to JFK, 911, COVID, and what a real holocaust is.
There are many, many sources but here is one recap -
It’s now almost certain the tunnels found at the Chabad synagogue in Brooklyn were designed for child sex tracking.
This footage released shows the Jewish synagogue had dystopian tunnels made with stained mattresses that have been sent for forensic analysis.
Items such as baby high chairs and clothing have also been taken by forensics.
A group of extremist students were blamed for the child abduction tunnels and attempted to bury the tunnels with cement before forensics could begin their investigations.
Advocates for child sex abuse say Israel has become a “refuge for pedophiles” and many Jewish-Americans hide from justice in Israel…🇮🇱
I see this as part of the dam breaking about the slavemasters of the earth having their activities exposed and earthlings awakening to their real purpose (and maybe their full potential)
Those "alternative" new outlets that are not discussing this are saying volumes as to their own real purspose.
Others who are aware of humankinds real situtation are starting to keep track of those outlets.
Specie...Thank you for bringing this to our attention, as I had NO idea about the tunnels under a synagogue. I did dig into the Pizza Gate issue and Podesta, back then, as best I could. Can you please share a good link, where I can find more information, as this is extremely disturbing, even though I've had my thoughts about who's behind the child trafficking, or at least blackmailing others to do it, as well. Heck, the scumbag psychopaths admit to it in their Bible - Numbers 31, as example. Thank you for any guidance to links you can give.
Oh that's so beautifully put, Amy! I love "you hold them in your mind and wait for more correlating information." That's exactly what I was trying to go for!
Fun and playful, a sign of it going to the heart of something that might be real on a day when Reality hasn't checked us out of the self-serving line.
Many years ago I did a dream experiment as part of my exploration of Jung and dreams. The question was 'How do I know that I am not at this moment dreaming? That I will wake up to something else and this that I think is 'real' will simply be quickly forgotten, if even remembered, or dismissed as just a silly dream?' The answer: there is absolutely no way to know that!
With time it became an interesting challenge because I'd become adept, with practice, of excellent dream recall and eventually there were times I had a hard time distinguishing between my (so-called) 'awake' diurnal life that is ostensibly real, and the ostensibly dismissible 'real' dream worlds.
What makes this particularly interesting for me at this time, is that in the same way that the Taoists (and Robert Pirsig described in Zen in the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance) there is a difference that is not actually perceptible by the the so-called Reality-focused 5 senses. There is something else.
What is that something else? Love is as good a possibility as anything else!
And going to the Yoga practices as well articulated by Patañjali who echoed Guatama, our first challenge of seeing 'real' the illusion of reality, is to begin to see properly without being deluded by the noise and glitter of that attracts the five senses. What is that which is seeing without senses? Perhaps it is another word for love as well. The one-mind concept you put forward would be another version of that, too.
I love this query. Although I am biased, as you know, given that in many ways much of my writing is an exploration of this question, too.
Do my rambles help? Likely not, although I have no idea of course because communication is perhaps one of the grandest miracles of Life and proof of something beyond our senses. And the pony tails and cheetah spots added play to the words and beyond the delight of the smile they brought to my heart, did not diminish your argument. Although, of course, can I be sure of that? [Headshake.] Life, whatever it is, truly has a wicked, perhaps even devilish, sense of humour!)
Oh I'm glad the pony tails and cheetah spots made you smile!
During dance class, a flu that was sneaking up on me, clobbered me with a sledgehammer. So I'm glad I recorded ahead of time, pigtails and all, but I may get some sleep before responding to your delightful and multilayered comment! Talk more tomorrow.
I'll reply to myself so it goes to all three of my well-wishers. This morning I'm feeling reborn, if wrung out, but last night was one of the most miserable I can remember. At 6 I dosed myself with Chinese herbs, dandelion tea and nyquil (talk about being agnostic ;-) But from 9 on, I kept waking with fever, aches and nausea (always the worst). But here's the thing--when I woke up, there would be some conflict I needed to resolve: Israel/ Palestine, Ukraine/ Russia, WEF/ the rest of us, reality/ illusion. Talk about something to make you feel sick! I'd have to go back to one of the lines from the Course, "I am not a body, I am free, for I am still as God created me." I wouldn't say it worked but it did get me out of making myself even more miserable about things I couldn't do anything about.
Taking it easy today and being gentle with myself. Thanks for your kind wishes!
Get well, Pussy Cat! LOL! That slid off my fingers!!! Where did that come from?
For some reason your directing our attention to your playing with costume — which is great to stretch ourselves out of our personas! — brought it to my fingers and then my mind something with pussycats? What is it...
Ahhhhh. Got it. Tom Jones - likely an unconscious link to the Tom Jones's cover of Iggy Pops' 'Lust for Life' that I included in my play list. https://youtu.be/I6iuXtFagpQ
A young TJ singing 'What's New Pussy Cat?': https://youtu.be/KAVpqOG-HDY
And I don't know if YouTube also has a sense of humour because the next song up was 'Creep' covered by Macy Gray! RotFL. https://youtu.be/LXWCbpdgEFQ
All the best getting back up to speed. Good night.
That's so funny, that song was going through my head too! It's so catchy, isn't it?
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Hope you feel better soon.
Now that I have time and coherence for a deeper response to your thoughtful comment, Guy, your experiment in dreams is so revealing. You are asking this question at an essential level!
It feels to me that you're touching the heart of it when you say 'communication is perhaps one of the grandest miracles of Life and proof of something beyond our senses.' Yes! I think that could sum up the Course in a nutshell. The 'real' world is communication, the communion of minds. Not opposed to the physical world, the beauty of which Kathleen just brought to our attention: https://devanneykathleen.substack.com/p/its-just-another-day. But more, perhaps, the reality shining through the sensory world, making it a beautiful dream.
Always happy for your ramblings, Guy!
Glad to read you are feeling better.
Yes, 'the essential level.' It definitely was and has only taken another 30 years of dedicated work to undo the embodied schisms from childhood to more fully actualise that 'essential' in living a life that breaths up from the body into the existence life and then all those engaging and pesky non-physical things we delight in even when we are delighting in our misery of them.
The link to Kathleen was delightful and may very likely inform in some way my current essay very slowly in process.
Alas, ’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves...' Oops. I think I meant to write something like 'tis brilliant to be relaxed in the wash of words which we dream and which dream us.'
good night. Now to essay the article.
Have you read Clif High on Patañjali and his Yoga? He claims that, like the Torah, the book "only deals with the space aliens technology, and its ‘mind-to-machine’ interface."
https://clifhigh.substack.com/p/clifs-yoga-sutras-part-1
Clif High is such an original thinker, always interesting to read. I bought a copy of Patanjali's Sutras based on Russell Brand's recommendation. But they didn't speak to me so I gave them to my daughter. Maybe I'll get them back since I don't think they spoke to her either.
Later this week I'm exploring the question 'What is the Bible?' and the Elohim theory would be a good one to add to the 'realm of possibilities.' The questions I'd be asking are 'What does it matter? What would it change?'
The Elohim theory, however, would be past the fork in the road I'm talking about here:
1) The physical world is reality, as verified by the sensory perceptions of our independent minds. 2) The physical world is not reality because our minds are not independent.
Both of these are hypotheses, it's just that one is the hypothesis we live by. I really liked Amy's comment below that "you hold them in your mind and wait for more correlating information." That's what I'm going for in this post.
Yes, Clif is nothing if not an original! His work on the Elohim is the product of a small study group of linguists of which he is a member.
Can't wait for your "What is the Bible?" post. "A story book" would be my answer - as far as the English translations are concerned anyway. Francis Bacon was a great writer!
As for reality, that's above my pay grade for the time being; but I would opt for thesis (2). My understanding is that the only thing that's real in the "reality" we inhabit is our souls. Everything else is a creation of our intent.
If you're taking on the Elohim and Old Testament, keep in mind too, Paul Wallis, who has written a series of book (have not read them, but have listened to him on probably 6 different interviews) on Eden.
He's in the same camp with Biglino that OT is actually an account of these other beings who came here and took over. I like his presentation and he was also a Christian minister for 30 plus years.
Hello, Kathleen, and beautiful post today, as I mentioned in my reply to Guy.
I'm thinking that I'll list the Elohim as one hypothesis to the question What is the Bible? but will leave it to you and Tirion to make the argument for that.
Where I get stuck with that hypothesis is what difference it would make? It seems that it would be saying there are otherworldly being in control of us and there's nothing we can do about it, whether they're malevolent or benevolent.
But if the Elohim actually represent mere humans who think they're gods, it would be useful to expose that. Maybe I'm not understanding the significance, though. I'll look forward to your thoughts and I'm glad you're researching this to add to my knowledge.
Thanks, Tereza.
I get your point - and in a way it doesn't make any difference in terms of what we have to do as humans in charge of our own lives.
But as beings who are part of a much larger cosmos with a far bigger history, it matters.
It mows down mental walls.
I think there have been a multiples of many beings, none of which were God, though humans may have thought so, if they had tech we'd never seen? If they appeared far more advanced.
I think benevolent and not so benevolent are in the mix too. Complicated soup.
Pushing out the context matters. Knowing what's going behind the many-curtains, matters. So yeah, I think it matters.
Look forward to it!
Hello, Tirion.
I have. It is a great discussion and I think a perfect tie in with Tereza's idea here about 'What is reality?'
I don't dismiss High's argument as he does a credible job of linking the benefits we see, even in the relatively incomplete state the sutras may be and relative to their 'real' purpose as described by High. The requirements of the mind for an effective mind-to-machine interface just happens to be the same thing that creates healing in our mind-body continuum. (Which I'm looking at a bit more closely in my current essay, under construction.)
I've pondered this reality for quite some time b/c of several things that have happened, once to our 3 yr. old son, once to me, and another time to my brother.
Our son, John, and his dad were driving to the store, where John, in a silly way, told his dad he was going to tell the policeman that his dad made the tree fall. On their way back from the store, a large fir tree had fallen across the road and the fire department was there removing it.
My brother worked at a convenient store, when he was a teenager, and had a dream the store was robbed, and he was shot and killed. The dream upset him so much, he didn't go to work the next day, and the store was robbed at gunpoint, but no one was killed.
I awoke one morning, with a strong feeling that my older teenage daughter was to not get in the car with the guy she was dating due to a possible accident. She thought I was being overly protective, but I was very momma-bear adamant about it. She did not, but he was in not just one, but two accidents that day, one of which was right down the road from us. He was not hurt, but who knows what might have happened to her.
So, my biggest question about all 3 scenarios is how can one know the future if it hasn't already happened - if it isn't in some kind of program? I've had other strange things happen in my life, as well, so I definitely question this reality.
It does seem like your life is telling you things aren't the way they seem, Rhonda. I agree with Nefahotep and will raise him one further ;-) I think that time is moving backwards to its source. It's like a soap bubble of nothingness that's shrinking as we have no more need of blame and guilt and fear, the un[w]holy trinity.
Logically, time and eternity can't co-exist, just like space and infinity are mutually exclusive. In order to calibrate something, you need a starting point. If time is real, what came before it? If space is real, what is beyond it? It's only Consciousness zipping along an infinity loop of the eternal Present that makes sense.
The true nature of Time is actually not sequential. What we think we experience in time as sequentiality is our own mind's way of processing the experience.
We experience the Movement of time, yet the "Present" is all there really is. The 'past' is already gone and the 'future' is not manifest yet.
We are able to get glimpses of the Truth, a bit at a time, because consciousness is not constrained by Space/ Time. Rather, Consciousness is what makes the experience of time possible. We are ultimately pure consciousness.
I'll reply to Nefahotep to ouroboros both of you ;-) Rhonda, I think you'll also be interested in Nefahotep's comments later in this thread.
I love what you're saying, Rhonda. At one point, Guy felt I was deriding dream analysis by saying that the world was 'just' a dream. But that wasn't what I meant. I think that everything we're doing here is dream analysis, in the Jungian sense that everything in the dream represents an aspect of us. I'm not sure that any of it is nonsense but I don't often remember my 'sleeping' dreams.
Unscrambling the words is your gift or 'present.' I think Guy would confirm that Jungian dream analysis often looks at word play. In that sense, it doesn't really matter whether translators would have been 'in on it.' It's a clue, a message, that's yours to figure out.
The tower of Buy Bull is great. Along with the encoded military strategy is, I think, an encrypted mythology of why we're hiding from Reality in this dream. It all goes back to guilt but not as a real thing, as our delusion of guilt. So the serpent 'presenting' the gift is important, not as Truth but as allegory.
Something rings very true in our nature of empathy keeping us stuck. We want to see ourselves as small, powerless, victims. To do anything else seems like arrogance.
I'm grateful to be having this conversation with both of you!
I'll have to go back to the main thread and read Nefahotep's other comments. Thank you for the heads up:)
Some of my dreams I used to have had nonsensical info in them, like there being monkeys in the bathroom with me, as one example. Lol! Still not sure what that represented, except remembering I was afraid and trying to escape. I did have an abusive childhood, both physically and mentally, but others have had it far worse. It did serve a purpose, however, in forming me into a skeptic and one that is not afraid.
Interesting about "hiding from Reality!" That tells me we're hiding from being possessed, as if we're realty (I Realty). Seriously, I think something here wants to possess us, in so many ways, but who and why, or is that even the case.
Anyway, I once had a very supernatural experience (yr. 2000), where I was ready to leave my husband and children, basically run away, as we had just finished building our home, of which I designed and managed, we were living in a small dingy old cabin while building, my dad had had a stroke and I was caring for him, and my children were 12 and 10, so I was very overwhelmed. I went up to our back pasture to contemplate what I was going to do, and just sat in my truck, basically crying and yelling out to God just who was he, did he even exist, and what did all this mean. All of a sudden, a very peaceful calm came over me, unlike anything I've ever experienced, and these words were spoken very clearly within my head, to, I believe, answer my question of who he was: "I am many generations of people." I then realized that there were 4 very large images in the big fir trees surrounding me - 2 directly in front of me and 2 on my left. They were not silhouettes formed in the branches but were very clear images of their heads. The one directly in front of me, who was looking directly towards me, was an image of an older man with mussy hair, a scruffy beard, and he wore round spectacles, whom I got the sense he was a scholar (tree of knowledge?). On his right, and not looking at me, was an image of a long-bearded man that appeared to be Jesus with a very kind look on his face, and he was looking towards the other man. To my left, was a woman with long flowing hair, which was the only movement in any of the images, and she was directly facing the other man that was looking directly at me, and that Jesus was looking towards. He had a shorter scruffy beard, with shorter curly hair, and had a more serious look. I couldn't help focusing on the "scholar," in front of me, however, b/c he somehow commanded my attention. I even opened and closed my eyes in disbelief, but the images remained. I was then instructed, without words, to turn on my CD player, of which I did, and was led to stop and listen to one song, from the Message in a Bottle soundtrack that I had just purchased. The song was called "I Could Not Ask for More." I'll let you listen to the answers I received -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxUd76Q27LM
Strangely, the one song I purchased that CD for, was the song, "Fallen Angels," stating they fell straight from heaven. Anyway, while I was distracted with the song, the images just disappeared. Another strange thing, is that the tree the "scholar" was in, fell at some point, in the next year. Also, before it fell, I had gone and sat at the base of the tree meditating, and when I came back, I had lost my reading glasses, so went back to retrieve but they weren't there. Perhaps he needed a new pair of glasses? :) All I can say is that I do hold two conflicting thoughts/beliefs within myself, in regard to what transpired and what I now see in the Bible. I just know I don't ever want to "fall" for another lie, of which I probably will.
Lastly, I could not figure out who the other man, in the "TREE" to my left, was, until about 4 or more months ago. I had even been watching this guy's videos for well over a year, not realizing it, until he talked about the serpent in the tree and equated it to the vaccines, like I've mentioned. Guess what his name is? Del BIGTREE! And he looks darn near identical to the image I saw in the BIG TREE, over 23 years ago! I have no doubt he's been sent to help humanity. I think you have been, as well. You do have an angelic sense about you, that I felt immediately, when first watching your video, so thank you for that. OK, I'm not going to say anymore, as this has been long enough. I hope you're feeling better:)
Let me respond in some semblance of order to this delightful and encouraging comment.
The monkeys in the bathroom seem like they could definitely be a reference to your abusive childhood. I've never found that 'other people have it worse' makes me feel any better. It just makes me feel even worse because I can't even feel sorry for myself ;-) But I'm sure it made you into who you are today, and I selfishly can't be sorry for that.
What a fascinating vision. I listened to the whole song and imagined you in that truck. I'm going to throw out my guesses on the scholar and 'Jesus,' which is exceedingly rude to do to someone else's vision but try them on for size.
I wonder if the scholar could have been Zadok or Saduk the Pharisee, founder of the Sadducees and co-founder of the zealots? The description seems stereotypically Jewish. The Sadducees rejected the Torah, so all the things you're finding out in your research could be imparted directly from Zadok. Maybe you didn't need that tree anymore.
And the look of compassion makes me think of Judas, known as the healer, the Christ who saw the Christ in everyone else. Jesus wasn't actually a very nice person. He yelled and berated his disciples, called them idiots who couldn't do anything right. Judas cared about the poor, who Jesus said would always be around, unlike him.
I don't have a guess as to the woman. That's pretty funny about Del Bigtree and seems apropos for a word lady ;-) Your muse would have a sense of humor.
Thank you for that confidence in me. I'm still moving pretty slow and thinking even slower. My illusions of shaking this off quickly have gotten more down to earth, angelic sense and all ;-)
And I think you need a new name for your seer role--Cassrhonda! But this time, telling the truth in a way that can be heard, as I wished for in naming my youngest.
I truly appreciate your input of the vision, esp. seeing as I've sometimes even wondered if I was being fooled...the skeptic in me. It certainly gave me profound peace and helped me better endure a difficult time, and I'm ever so thankful for that reason.
And YES, you are right that all three male images were stereotypically Jewish (not sure about the woman), and I never thought about that. I think Bigtree even has some Jewish ethnicity, but also Native American. Interesting about Zadok and Judas. That's something I need to delve into. Thank you for giving me those thoughts:)
I agree about Jesus! Even though I think there are good parts of the Bible, both Testaments, I just can't put any faith in it, based on the obvious lies. I've even thought that perhaps the image they have presented of Jesus is not who they claim. I never knew who the other man or woman were, but the man was certainly a striking resemblance of Bigtree. I only saw the side of woman, so she won't be identifiable, but I did find that the word, "comet" comes from meaning long flowing hair, and that Lucifer, as I previously mentioned, was a comet. Then a few years later this happened.
After the people moved from next door, and we bought their place, I saved one of her flowering bulbs. It grew a beautiful red flower, but I had no idea what it was. A hummingbird would dive-bomb this one flower over and over and I had never seen that before. It was quite entertaining. Then I was at Home Depot, and saw the same flower, so went to see what it was. It was called Lucifer. That blew my mind, as I had saved Lucifer! Lol! Perhaps there was a Lucifer who tried to tell the truth about the evildoers, and they put Jesus in his place. Both are morning stars.
You are so right about the muse! We all have them, and they do love a good joke:) I was telling a joke on my patio one day, and almost simultaneously to finishing it, a woodpecker (Flicker) started cackling as if he was laughing his butt off. It was the funniest thing ever. We all cracked up laughing:) It's as if the trees, birds, and everything else alive, is all a part of what's going on around us. It's a crazy and wonderful place, minus the bad stuff. Oh, how I wish the bad would go away. Perhaps in the next life.
Lastly, who is Cassandra? Also, what did you name your youngest daughter? Cassandra? I hope you get better soon!! And no need to write back if you're not up to it. You need to rest! Thank you again, for this very thought-provoking reply!
Rhonda, I love your free association. There's no question that we're getting at something elemental here, and I'll direct Nefahotep back here in a response to him because I think he'd be very interested.
To wonder if you're being fooled is to wonder if you are a fool, which you most clearly are not. I think the gift you've been given is to see through the Buy Bull to the next level, and unravel the truth from the lies. Remember that propaganda works both ways by interweaving truth and lies. If you reject the truth because you recognize the lies, they've still won. The Bible only has power because of the Truth in it.
That's so interesting about Del Bigtree. I now wonder if his figure represents all indigenous cultures (to which we all belong, somewhere back). What does your intuition say?
And I'm FASCINATED by the connection of the woman to Lucifer. Of course! How could I have been so blind to this? As we've talked about, women don't even exist in the Buy Bull, other than as personifications of territories 'owned'. Where are the women? Your unidentifiable woman is all women, who became Lucifer, Eve, the snake, the serpent, the crawling on the belly downtrodden foe.
What do you mean, 'Both are morning stars'? Love the story of the cackling woodpecker!
Yes, Cassandra is my youngest and the one I most often quote in my stack. She can be obstinate and inconsiderate, but also eerily prescient and insightful. And I'm feeling enough better that I'm tentatively thinking to go to dance class in an hour. Whoo-hoo!
Tereza and Nefahotep - Both of your explanations are very interesting and make logical sense to me, so thank you for sharing them:) I'll share a few thoughts of my own.
So, you know how when we dream and then awaken, we try and make sense of it, b/c some of it is nonsensical yet other parts are relatable. That's the way I feel when I'm awake. I personally feel as if the language is garbled - as if I were dyslexic - therefore I try and unscramble the words to help me better understand the underlying meaning of what's really being communicated or shown to me. I feel as if I'm living in the tower of Babel/babble/Bible/Buy Bull every day. In my opinion, the 'present' isn't even attainable. It's more like the creator of memories, since it's a moment that moves infinitely faster than the speed of light. To dig into the word 'present' and what it 'presents' us with, is revealing to me, however.
Present (n.) - instant, current, gift.
Present (v.) - to offer, to stage, to put forward.
Pre-Sent - 'pre-' meaning before something significant, in front of, and 'sent' (v.) to make something go from one place to another.
Present also "spells" Serpent and Repents.
Serpent (n.) - snake - (v. obsolete) - to wind or meander, to encircle (like the ouroboros or the bubble).
Repents (v.) - to feel pain, sorrow, regret, to seek forgiveness.
Re-Pent(s) - 'Re'- again, anew, back, backwards. 'Pent' is confinement, concealment, imprisonment.
What I'm trying to 'present' is that we were captured in this bubble/ouroboros by a serpent that was presenting us with a gift, and we fell for it, and became imprisoned due to our nature of empathy/sorrow for the captor. And like those in Plato's cave that were probably drawn into the pitiful serpent's lair, and who can't or don't want to see that they are captive (suffering Stockholm syndrome or whatever), will remain captured or asleep in this staged and fake loop, whereby continuously watching the spell-casting flickering shadows (screen projections) on the walls (screens).
My shared experiences, and others I didn't share, have shown me there's way more going on here, as you both know, and it all guides me (or us) into freeing myself, and hopefully others, from this imprisonment of our minds.
Yuval Noah Harari, your and my favourite transhumanist, writes the following paragraph about “happiness”. I am going to replace the word “happiness” with “reality”
“So perhaps reality [sic] is synchronising one’s personal delusions of meaning with the prevailing collective delusions. As long as my personal narrative is in line with the narratives of the people around me, I can convince myself that my life is meaningful, and find reality [sic] in that conviction.”
Source: Sapiens: A Brief History of Mankind’ by Yuval Noah Harari
So interesting, Julius. YNH really is an original thinker despite his delusions of superiority and willingness to be the erudite stooge of the WEF.
I would go back, though, to his word of 'happiness' although reality works too, for an atheist. Synonyms for God are purpose, meaning, reality, truth. For Harari, none of these exist. There is no inherent purpose to life. There is no truth, just competing narratives.
What the Course would say is that denial of our purpose leads to unhappiness. Meaning exists, irrespective of our understanding of it. But Harari would say it doesn't and the pursuit of meaning leads to unhappiness. Better to go with the consensus.
Unless of course, you're a superior intellect like him and then you can find meaning by telling other people there is none!
"Unless of course, you're a superior intellect like him and then you can find meaning by telling other people there is none!"
Perfectly said!!
Hi Wildrhody,
I've got a busy morning but can later. If you are on X you will have seen Chabad, tunnels or NYPD trending for the last 2 days nearly 24 hrs a day. Given who controls most of the media it is difficult to find conventional sources. Does that make the story any less important or true? I'll leave that up to each individual to determine.
This is an excellent conversation Tereza, there are a few things that I consider enhances the topic of "Reality."
You wrote:
"And maybe there's a distinction to be made with lowercase words that addressed Nefahotep's idea that a sovereign individual should never use 'I am' statements followed by a noun. Maybe it could be only proper nouns that are limiting?" [And ..... ]
"So I would define Reality, uppercase, as that which has no opposite, simply What Is. The absence of Reality is illusion but it doesn’t oppose it, it just isn’t there."
"I am" is the linguistic announcement of Being, that is addressing the "Knower" or Quiet Friend that is the true Observer of things from behind the Mind's eye.
First, I will say that Linguistic formation and structure has it's own element of limitations. Once we create a name or term for something, it immediately limits that within our own eye, as to what it is, what it's possible experience might be. Language itself is a system of micro definitions, humans in their language have built an agreement of "Definitions," a form of meaning that is in a "Static" sustained pattern of interaction we are so used to in language, that it can be easy to take for granted.
Secondly, there is "Meaning" in the sense that there can be a dynamic experience of perception relative to a Name. So, "I am" works well in front of a Name because culturally, names were always thought to convey layers of deep personal Meaning; this effectively honors the inner Self that is the person being addressed. Unfortunately, we have gotten into a habit of putting a regular "noun" after our "I am" statement like this: "I am a Citizen." Or "I am a piece of paper." Or "I am a triangle." How about saying something like: "I am hungry." Or "I am tired." All these examples are limiting and diminishing the true stature of Being, "I am." [States of being are thus limiting Infinite Being]
States of being are experiences that Being is currently having, the way we often say them is reducing Being.
In my experience, Being is actually already an action word because it is Consciousness in the movement of life. So, to show linguistic respect to Being, I say: "I am holding a Citizenship." Or "I am feeling a little hunger right now." "I am" followed by a Verb
So, can something with Meaning be Defined? No, and here is why; two examples:
Freedom is natural; when we frame it as "Liberty," that is an enumeration and definition.
Another example: Is a dog really free while he walks with you at the end of a leash? By putting him on a leash, you are giving him Liberty, by cutting the leash, you are giving him back his Freedom.
A name "could" be defined, but it could also hold many -- many meanings.
Can something with Definition have Meaning? Intellectually it can seem that meaning comes from things that have defining characteristics. For the Religious; a Church and Bible, having a great deal of "Definition" also carries for them a huge sense of "Meaning." It depends on the Individual.
There are NO opposites, even though it may appear that way.
You wrote:
"The absence of Reality is illusion but it doesn’t oppose it, it just isn’t there." The question of Reality vs Illusion can be framed differently: If what Reality is -- is our experience, and there are other aspects to "Reality" that we are not experiencing presently, does that fact make it Illusion?
Perhaps an even better way to frame this is: Is Reality the same as Truth? My short answer is No, It is Truth that has no opposite. Reality is the specific experience we are having, individually.
It can also be said that Illusion is not the full meaning intended by the word, that what is perceived as Illusion is something in a transitory state of "Becoming." Truth is immutable, is continuously becoming more Realized into the Individualized Consciousness. As Spiritual Evolution progresses, Truth becomes more clearly experienced and sight of the Seer becomes part of the Human Nature.
There's so much more that can be said about this, if I can get time enough, I will do a posting on this topic.
It's a sign of a good comment when I have to read each line multiple times, Nefahotep.
On two of your points, I was halfway there before you wrote. When I considered if it would make a difference if the noun following 'I Am' was proper or generic, they both seemed limiting even when I wrote it.
And I had a hard time coming up with opposites, to answer Goeff's request for a definition, once I eliminated the mere absence or negation of one side. Is peace the absence of war? Not really. It's so much more and, possibly, not dependent on war's absence.
Even red and green contain the other as lightwaves and are only what the surface doesn't absorb and instead, reflects back. So a green-appearing object is really red because it absorbs the red spectrum and vice-versa. It IS its opposite.
What I will ask you to consider is the difference between experience and perception, ala Reality. It seems that attributing 'Reality' to 8 billion separate and disparate experiences, many of them in conflict with each other, is to say there is no Reality. If I perceive you to be my enemy, then that's reality. If I perceive you to be my friend, that's reality too. Reality is mutable depending on my ability to see it. It seems like Reality and Truth should be synonymous.
One of my favorite lines from the Course is 'Perception is projection.' It seems like Reality should be reserved for the I Am. There would be no point in comparing notes to come closer to the I Am if there was nothing beyond our individual perceptions.
But maybe this is semantics? And isn't that the point ;-)
It only "looks like" semantics, yet in matters of the seer we are likely in our best form to do our best to "see." Linguistics can get a bit tedious, yet we can only do our best.
So, let me attempt something a little different:
There is NOT one world with 7.5 Billion Lives in it, there is ONE Life that has 7.5 Billion Worlds in it.
All of the above you stated are extremely sharp observations and I love it!!
One thing I make a effort to do is point out that the perception from where "I am" currently observing all "THIS" is from the experience of the ONE.
You wrote:
"Reality is mutable depending on my ability to see it. It seems like Reality and Truth should be synonymous." ------ This could be an area where there is a stumbling bloc, I'll attempt another way of putting it: OK, so In Hindu ways of thinking there is Advitya (अद्वितीय )Vedanta meaning "unique, the first one. There is no second. The Sun or one which has no end, Synonym of Sun or One which has No End." This is a word that comes from the Vedic term: Aditi meaning the "Solar Race" -- beings that came from light. Then there is Purna advida Vedanta; meaning absolutely ALL there is --- Oneness. Purna by itself means "Completeness."
I could summarize by saying that ALL the Reality we experience is in fact, Subjective to the Divine Self and that the concept of "Objectivity," is merely a construct of the mind. The Truth is then an, Infinite experience of many Realities. As my teacher would say: "There are Worlds within Worlds."
I love these conversations, Tereza and I have to say, you are digging very deep indeed.
"So I would define Reality, uppercase, as that which has no opposite..."
How do you define opposite?
Oh now you're really challenging my definition of definition not including a form of the word!
Let me try this on for size: An equal force on the same continuum where Qualifier B contains none of Qualifier A but is not its negation or absence. So red would be the opposite of green but darkness would not be the opposite of light.
PS: Light does not exist. It's basically all in our head. It's a psychophysical phenomenon that requires an intact nervous system that perceives a certain small fraction of electromagnetic spectrum as "light."
: )
Wooot?
Me challenge anyone?
PS: Take it easy on Gramps...I'm an old _ _ _ _. Feteo ergo sum!
I always enjoy your articles, and because you seem such a nice, and interesting person, I listened to this one despite the question not striking me as interesting.
Provocative and largely more interesting than I expected; you lost me at the point where you referred to "reality" and"the World" as different things, without explanation. ("Lost me" as in I couldn't understand - not that you lost my attention).
Xoxo
I believe you've read my "Coping With Disagreement and Being Wrong" article (which is really about these epistemological questions), but others may find it helpful.
https://whatdoino.substack.com/p/copy-coping-with-disagreement-and
I love that we get to have long-form conversations with each other's stacks! And I also have the same feeling about you. I find your relationship with your wife particularly endearing, which is why I sent Goeff your way, who also seems to have survived to retirement with [the same?] woman and their sense of humor intact! I'm glad my halo effect got you to listen ;-)
I hadn't read this article but really like it. I got Thinking Fast & Slow in audio because I loved the title but then never listened. I will need to find it again, I'm definitely a Slow Thinker.
I don't know if you were reading when I posted these: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/when-did-you-stop-being-wrong [stay strong! be wrong!] and https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/we-need-to-agree-to-agree [not on a conclusion but on a purpose, a process and a plan]
What I was referring to with the world and Reality was that there are two equally valid hypotheses: 1) The physical world is reality, as verified by the sensory perceptions of our independent minds. 2) The physical world is not necessarily reality because our minds are not independent. Maybe you're 99% sure that 1) is true but as long as 2) is logically valid, should you reserve 1% of doubt?
I love your memes in the post but what is it, if not a parrot? Now it's going to drive me crazy!
In a car, so not a lengthy considered response.
First re. "halo effect" - I would have read it even without the ash-blond pigtails!
Parrot - look again, it's a woman painted!
Oh wow! Seeing the tail as a leg helped but it wasn't until I assumed her eyes were closed, with the parrot eye painted, that I got the right orientation. That's one of the best optical illusions I've ever seen!
What is it about the meaning of the word “concerned” that you don’t understand …
• Bill Gates "I don't know what you mean concerned"
https://rumble.com/v2686e6-bill-gates-i-dont-know-what-you-mean-concerned.html?mref=6zof&mrefc=2
Hello Tereza, I love those pig tails! I couldn't stop staring at them until halfway thru I saw all those flowers! Whatever the occasion, I wish you happiness! In my dreams it is easy to avoid or change a perceived danger and sometimes fairly quickly as sometimes I abruptly wake up. But in my reality I have to manage or deal with the perceived danger and try to find a solution which doesn't happen so quickly as in dreams. That is one difference I can think of. As far as people being in the same mind set, that is the coolest thing ever! It's like you belong to this world harmony. I love and strive to be in the harmony of the world, even as I go about the mundane things in my day. It makes those ordinary chores more exciting. Thank you for sharing your Happiness
I hate to quote pop songs but 'I can buy myself flowers' ;-) There's a rose vendor at the farmer's market who sells a dozen long-stem for $10 and the bouquet filler roses for $6. I went there today and announced that I was going to limit myself to one bunch and everyone around should hold me to it. Of course I came home with two. You'll see them soon.
That's good dream control when you can wake yourself up! If I wake from something disturbing, I sometime have to write a happy ending that solves the problem or it pesters me all day, making me feel doomed. But you and I both share that problem-solving obsession.
I love the idea of the world harmony! I will be thinking of it as I go back to organizing my main junk drawer. It's time to bring harmony and throw the disharmonious out!
Don’t know how I missed this exquisite post. That’s some major mind boggling exercises of thought. Gonna have to read more into some of this. Of particular interest in reality is the whole dreaming stuff. You know, when I was a kid I had lots of dreams of dying. I’d always wake up after I got shot or fell off the cliff or drowned to death. The sensation in those dreams were the same as when I died once in real life for a spell long after I stopped having those dreams.
And also, you wear those cheetah spots as good as a cheetah! And holy moly, thanks for getting through the memelanche. 😮
Holy moly memelanche! I don't know whether to spread that on toast or quesadillas!
Very interesting on the dreams. This post has sparked a lot of deep dream analysis, both waking and sleeping.
You're too kind on the 'exquisite' and cheetah spots ;-)
“So I would define Reality, uppercase, as that which has no opposite, simply What Is. The absence of Reality is illusion but it doesn’t oppose it, it just isn’t there.” - Tereza Coraggio
“Reality is what you can get away with.” - Robert Anton Wilson.
RAW was influenced by Alfred Korzybski’, whose most famous quote, “The map is not the territory”, is self-evident (though abandoned). No representation is the thing represented. Indeed, outside the abstract world of mathematical R/reality, A is not A, every word and symbol a lie. But that does not mean that maps are not useful or accurate. In any territory unfamiliar to me, a map is useful...so long as I’m trying to find things that others have already found (and named/defined). This is quite different from just setting off exploring terra incognito and finding what I find.
RAW’s statement is not a map. While it uses the dangerous “is” word, and while it seems to have all the Aristotelian qualities of a definition, I think RAW is not defining at all. If he ever had a map, he burned it (or, more likely, smoked it). The last thing a true explorer wants is a map, and the great explorers never publish their map after their explorations. Neither Socrates nor Buddha nor Jesus ever wrote a word (that we know of). In fact, explorers, especially those who find treasure, intentionally throw us off the track. (“Render unto Caesar that which is Caeser’s.”) No prudent priate makes an *accurate* map to his treasure. The most secure passwords are misspellings. Tricksterism is always the pinnacle of human and divine endeavor; delusion is the most fundamental of Platonic ideals. This is why (as John Boorman noticed) “fiction is truth unimpeded by facts”, and it is why myth surpasses rational argument. All modern academic disciplines—philosophy, science, psychology, mathematics, history, etc.—fussily follow the maps and view any further exploration as heresy. For me, RAW’s statement tells me almost nothing solid: it does not explain nor direct nor guide nor teach; it does not persuade; it doesn’t rely on logic; it doesn’t care what I do with it. Yet, it makes me endlessly think about it without limitation. Most importantly, it triggers imagination and helps re-enchant this disenchanted version of the world.
That response I wrote is inadequate to the number of times I've read this, getting more out of it each time. In Wildrhody's comment above she mentions neologisms, which I remember you saying you loved, but I'm thinking that was on the Argument episode. And yet I think that you and she are speaking similar languages with your maps and symbols that lie. Especially with:
"No prudent pirate makes an *accurate* map to his treasure. The most secure passwords are misspellings. Tricksterism is always the pinnacle of human and divine endeavor; delusion is the most fundamental of Platonic ideals."
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. ["The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived."] I believe I first ran across this concept in something Martin Buber wrote. With the recent flagrant genocide in Gaza, it has recently become central to my own contemplation.
Interesting. As you know, I've been encapsulating the formula of the Shemitic dynasty as Secrecy Within, Deception Without. I saw a quote in a video as "Through deception shall you make war." But it didn't have an attribution. Your quote fits with the idea that there needs to be a willingness to be deceived, clues that are there for those with eyes to see. Is it a saying of Plato's?
I'm glad you have RAW's definition of reality to play with. And that's funny, that he would have smoked it ;-)
X posts are disappearing fast. This one is probably destined for the memory hole. Lessons have been learned from previous instances of unwelcome truths leaking out into human conscience.
https://voxday.net/2024/01/09/the-bochurim-dug-too-deep/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WfUvEOsL43Nr/
https://twitter.com/search?q=Chabad&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Really interesting and chilling, Specie. I'm not on X but I could see the others.
The nature of Reality has of course always been the fundamental philosophical and "theological" question. It has never ever been satisfactorily answered by Western philosophers and "theologians", and indeed it cannot be because the Western mind is dualistic all-the-way-down. Everything thus proposed is based upon this dualism, and actively reinforces it to - despite its seeming good intentions.
It perhaps could be said that the very best Advaitic & Buddhist philosophers who have actually Realized the non-dual condition have been uniquely qualified to answer this question.
Ramana Maharshi is the best know modern example of such.
More ancient ones are Nagarjuna. The authors of the Tripura Rahasya, the Avadhut Gita, the Ashtavakra Gita, the Ribhu Gita. And of course Shankara in various writings
Hi, Jonathan. Could you paraphrase what these philosophers say about What is Reality? To have a conversation about ideas, I feel that we need to put our understanding in our own words, otherwise it's an appeal to authority. If there's a third answer to the fork in the road I described to Tirion, I'm curious to hear it:
1) The physical world is reality, as verified by the sensory perceptions of our independent minds. 2) The physical world is not reality because our minds are not independent.
On the chance that it might stimulate further discussion among people who can think for themselves, i believe the New York tunnels will be another litmus test to determine real information from disinformation, similar to JFK, 911, COVID, and what a real holocaust is.
Hi, Specie. Can you elaborate more on this?
There are many, many sources but here is one recap -
It’s now almost certain the tunnels found at the Chabad synagogue in Brooklyn were designed for child sex tracking.
This footage released shows the Jewish synagogue had dystopian tunnels made with stained mattresses that have been sent for forensic analysis.
Items such as baby high chairs and clothing have also been taken by forensics.
A group of extremist students were blamed for the child abduction tunnels and attempted to bury the tunnels with cement before forensics could begin their investigations.
Advocates for child sex abuse say Israel has become a “refuge for pedophiles” and many Jewish-Americans hide from justice in Israel…🇮🇱
I see this as part of the dam breaking about the slavemasters of the earth having their activities exposed and earthlings awakening to their real purpose (and maybe their full potential)
Those "alternative" new outlets that are not discussing this are saying volumes as to their own real purspose.
Others who are aware of humankinds real situtation are starting to keep track of those outlets.
Here is one such persons list -
𝗫 𝗔𝗰𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝘀 𝗪𝗵𝗼 𝗪𝗼𝗻'𝘁 𝗠𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗨𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱 𝗧𝘂𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗹𝘀 𝗜𝗻 𝗡𝗲𝘄 𝗬𝗼𝗿𝗸 𝗖𝗶𝘁𝘆 𝗦𝘆𝗻𝗮𝗴𝗼𝗴𝘂𝗲:
1. Laura Loomer
2. Ben Shapiro
3. Benny Johnson
4. Wall Street Silver
5. Jack Posobiec
6. End Wokeness
7. Libs of TikTok
8. Alex Jones
9. Ashley St. Clair
10. Charlie Kirk
11. Videgrad24
12. Dr. Eli David
13. Chaya Raichik
I'm keeping my list to myself (for now) awaiting developments.
Specie...Thank you for bringing this to our attention, as I had NO idea about the tunnels under a synagogue. I did dig into the Pizza Gate issue and Podesta, back then, as best I could. Can you please share a good link, where I can find more information, as this is extremely disturbing, even though I've had my thoughts about who's behind the child trafficking, or at least blackmailing others to do it, as well. Heck, the scumbag psychopaths admit to it in their Bible - Numbers 31, as example. Thank you for any guidance to links you can give.
On the Pizza Gate issue, I have this one that got removed from YT but is up on Rumble: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/hollywood-and-pedosadist-cults.
Har har har! Thanks for that appreciation ;-)
Oh that's so beautifully put, Amy! I love "you hold them in your mind and wait for more correlating information." That's exactly what I was trying to go for!