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Kathleen Devanney. A human.'s avatar

I listened to this on Rumble while cleaning my kitchen, Tereza. And thank you for making that task more palatable. I'm glad there are people like you, who can hold so much in your mind at once, retrieve facts from the past, see and hear anomalies, find patterns and ask those deeper questions that would never happen otherwise.

I notice people who engage you tend to drop off before you're done! It's hard to know if they've reached their limit of time and energy on the subject, or if they've hit an inconvenient cognitive dissonance. Either way the fleshing out is good and helpful. Thanks for the insights that would never come, if not for you. Best.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

You do my heart good, Kathleen, to see what I'm doing as "retrieve facts from the past, see and hear anomalies, find patterns and ask those deeper questions." And not see what I do as creating conflict.

And yes, the dropping off of the conversation without answering my points is significant. That's why I released episodes like We Need to Agree to Agree: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/we-need-to-agree-to-agree, subtitled "... not about conclusions but on a purpose, a process and a plan." When we 'agree to disagree,' it's always a way of dismissing someone's conclusion without engaging in the process of asking the question in a systematic way.

I think there's a relationship between people hitting their limit of time and energy, and experiencing cognitive dissonance. It's exhausting to face your own inner conflict between contradictory points. And for those who are leading double lives, I think it takes a toll on their health. Thanks for your insights, Kathleen!

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Kathleen Devanney. A human.'s avatar

An excellent point. Why don't we talk till we reach agreement? I think that's a deep subject in itself and depending on the subject, takes us beyond what our reason and maybe even emotions can express.

But surely some things can be discussed to agreement. And your questions on Malone and his role are more than valid, if inconvenient.

Yes - cognitive dissonance is tiring! I've experienced it many times. :-)

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Yes, isn't that a deep subject? When I think about someone saying, "Let's agree to disagree," what does that really mean? For the person who says it, they don't think enough of the other person to put in the work to reach agreement. There's never a valid reason we can't, if we start with our purpose and agree that it matters.

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Kathleen Devanney. A human.'s avatar

Well said, Maybe we can replace "Let's agree to disagree" with "Let's agree that agreeing matters." :-)

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

I love that! And maybe even asking the question of whether it does and why. The Grange has a motto, from the 1920's, In essentials, unity, in non-essentials, liberty, in all things, charity. So maybe talking about why it matters or doesn't is a way to go. But I'm also good with dropping the seed and moving on.

I find out looking that up, it might be from St. Augustine of Hippo or John Wesley from the 1700's (says the Wesleyan Covenant Association) but it's a good one.

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denise ward's avatar

It doesn't take a genius to see that the EUA was totally by design and was going to go through. Imagine all the lives that could have still been alive today had Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine been tested. Life could be so much simpler if we didn't have agencies for "public health". The health of the public is very localized, but "public health" is all about one world government herding the people into to stay in our little pens like livestock. It's so obvious that it's boring. All outcomes are for the culling of the population. When that is realized, then it all makes sense. Thus the ceaseless and unnecessary complications and contortions the government and its henchmen keep pouring out.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

I think that was the point that AMD, kittykat and Meryl were all making. But we're all in agreement about that. The question on which I was cornering them is whether Malone was part of the design to make sure the EAU went through. They still had to go through the motions of testing repurposed drugs. They couldn't have skipped that step without violating the rules of their own agency. So what better than getting someone who's one of them to design an experiment guaranteed to fail.

When AMD and Meryl say that Malone did all he could to prevent the EAU, the facts don't support their position. I did take Stats and Experimental Design in grad school, but you don't need that to see the flaw in a design that tests an effective treatment against itself with or without the addition of another treatment.

Malone admits he had all the legacy data from before HCQ became the standard of care, and that was available to compare HCQ to hospitalized cases pre-HCQ. With his $21M contract, he didn't need to run a single new experiment or gather new data. All he had to do was run the numbers.

No one else worked for BARDA, had the DOMANE system to identify promising repurposed drugs, and got the contract to do this. His role was essential for the scam. Only someone who was in on it could have flubbed this so blatantly, and then he walked away from that company where he was the CMO so he could start his new role as mRNA inventor turned opposition leader ... except one who's not actually opposed.

Neither Meryl nor AMD could give any plausible explanation that contradicts my conclusion. They just keep going back to "But they were determined to get the EAU." Who are 'they' and is Malone one of 'them'?

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Kathleen Devanney. A human.'s avatar

It's difficult to reasonably come to any other conclusion. He was given a task, but likely told the perimeters up front and agreed.

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Pauline C's avatar

Or, if the agencies actually working in service of 'public health' were wise, dedicated and ethical.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Let's imagine how that would be possible, Pauline, under my commonwealth caret system. All commoners would receive monthly wellcare dividends to spend on anyone's goods or services who qualifies. Qualification just means that they offer that good or service to anyone in their neighborhood, and it's not just your mom.

Among those eligible services are neighborhood health advocates, who help people find the providers they need and gather information on health issues and possible causes. They enter this into a database that makes the person's identity hidden and only reports aggregate data. Anyone can access it and run the numbers.

At the same time, each neighborhood and hamlet has a health forum with subcategories where anyone can share peer-to-peer issues, treatments, outcomes. People with similar issues might be part of commonwealth forums or those at a national or int'l level. Anyone can start their own forum, there's no centralized authority to it. So if information is being throttled in one place, you can go another.

With this kind of sharing, would you need any public health agencies? It seems like it would create an environment where people were expected to take responsibility for their own health and for vetting the people and treatments they choose. I would personally prefer that to giving anyone control over my health, no matter how wise, dedicated and ethical.

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Pauline C's avatar

Yes, I'd prefer your system too T. x

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denise ward's avatar

But that cannot be because of the underlying factors that actually produce the outcomes for unethical behaviors. We cannot foster ethical behavior when our culture has no ethical principles to go by. What principles does our culture go by? Expediency, self-promotion, accumulation, competition. These are all underlying causes for the outcomes that we see happening. Another factor is that we are still like children in that we give our power away. We haven't grown up, we haven't learned how to own our power and not give it away. It's like we are still living in our parent's house, needing permission to drive on the roads, permission to make adjustments to our home, permission to travel and permission to do just about everything. And what is most upsetting is that everyone around us, our peers, enforce these restrictions upon each other and upon us even though we want nothing to do with them. Now it has come to the point where strangers can decide what goes into our bodies and our children's bodies.

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marta's avatar

I so appreciate you and others who don’t let go when the dots don’t connect. We so much need that in our world, especially in its fast pace and constant change and barrage of info. I have trouble keeping my attention on these disconnect places too, because sometimes that will fall into my weakness of holding grudges. How to hold onto what is essential for protection, wisdom, discernment and growing, while not hurting myself with grudge energy? Or wearing out those around me that are tired of certain topics?

Do you follow Jessica Hockett of Wood House 76? She also follows dots around NY ‘mass casualty’ in 2020 and gosh do I appreciate her dedication as well.

https://open.substack.com/pub/woodhouse/p/eleven-serious-problems-with-the?r=diq9r&utm_medium=ios

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Thanks for that kind observation, that puts my tenacity in a charitable light, not just stubbornness or needing to be right. I know about that grudge-holding energy. I feel it at the bookstore, the farmer's market, the Ice-cream shop, the plant store, the restaurants. I didn't be-grudge anyone for doing what they had to do to stay open. But those who were zealous, censorious, over-sticklers for the stupid rules--those I still haven't forgiven, not that they've asked me to. I remind myself to not punish myself, by giving things up I enjoy. However, if I'm doing it to 'support local businesses' or those I thought were friends, I no longer feel compelled. It's a delicate balance.

And I don't know Jessica but thanks for the link!

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Heather B's avatar

Fantastic summary of Malone's involvement via actions, not just words. I'm going to keep a copy for my files. As for YouTube, maddening. So sorry. 💕

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

That's an important distinction you're making, or I guess that I'm making but you're pointing out in a way I hadn't thought of. I'm using your term #psyoperators to categorize this series, if I ever get around to setting up topics on my menu bar.

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Pauline C's avatar

Excellent Tereza!

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Julius Skoolafish's avatar

‘Safe and effective' – for whom, against what/whom?

• Safe and effective - The Stupidity Of The Sheeple Has Reached Its Nadir - thetaoofanarchy

https://www.bitchute.com/video/xeoZcb0WYEm8

• Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla Claimed Vaxx Was 90% Effective, Now Almost Useless

https://archive.org/details/pfizer-ceo-claimed-vaxx-was-90-effective-now-almost-useless

• Jewish Heroes Battling Covid: In Honor of 2022 Genesis Prize Laureate Dr. Albert Bourla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQGGiRcaVSA

Define ‘safe’ – define ’effective’ – define ‘humanity’

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Mark Alexander's avatar

Thanks for this; it clarifies some confusion/ignorance that I had about the fake HCQ trial.

The YouTube quiz was hilarious. Front Porch Forum censored me, too, but they never told me exactly what I'd done to violate their very vague "Covid policies". They should have learned from YouTube that censorship is more effective when it's accompanied by a re-education program.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

I think I told you that I'd once interviewed the guy who started Front Porch Forum, and how the founder of Nextdoor met with him and then stole his ideas. I actually think it's the opposite, though. When YT does the re-education program they make themselves look ridiculous AND they put their position statements into writing, which I've now recorded. It wouldn't be hard to prove their position statements wrong, at this point, and when they try to change the narrative and pretend they never said anything different, this is a witness.

Before they'd just let me view my own video, in a private screening, and say "You figure out what you did wrong." That kept you guessing. Since I hold my YT visibility lightly, don't monetize and have redundant venues, I'm not losing sleep over whether I get cancelled. But I won't give up my viewers voluntarily. If they kick me off, I want to record their reasons for future ammunition. I think it's very interesting that they allow satire of misinfo, though. Dancing needles, anyone?

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AnnekeB's avatar

Funny how AMD makes so much sense but then last minute always seems to take a sharp turn back to justify the mainstream narrative… I always thought something was incongruent with his writings. I originally thought it was a brainwashed from medical school blind spot, but now that you point out AMD’s unwavering admiration for Malone I am seeing similarities in their writing styles. There is such a strange Malone fan-club on Substack. I wonder how many of them have been written by a Malone-pushing committee.

FWIW I think Malone’s substack has been ghostwritten. I don’t think that between all his public appearances and travel schedule that he would be able to churn out so many Substack articles.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Yes, isn't that 'funny' though! I've thought that Jill writes his substack but I also think she gets help from AI. Or is deliberately stealing phrases from their critics. This one used the Breggins' title with predator and prey, he took my critique of the IVM horse ad as making fun of Southerners or Appalachians with the 'c'mon y'all'. And also took 5G warfare from Mathew, according to him, but who knows. So the AI bot weaves in information from all of us and makes it his.

And who knows if AMD is an AI bot?

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AnnekeB's avatar

Now that you mention it, AI could be a key part of those Substacks. AMD’s writings have an impersonal tone to them.

I have always thought of Jill as Malone’s handler. Malone does not strike me as brilliant as he thinks he is. He’s either self-aggrandizing by pretending to be in-the-know with intelligence or too dumb to know when to shut up. Or it’s all just part of the confusion.

When Malone steals phrases from his enemies it has a confusing/unsettling ring to it. I’ve come to the understanding that confusion is an essential part of hypnosis (getting you to discard your own intuition while focusing on the hypnotist).

The only thing I have found Malone useful for is as a litmus test. Anyone who, this late in the game, still remains a Malone fan is someone who’s intentions at least need to be questioned.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

It makes me so happy to have you in my stack, Anneke. Yes on Jill as Malone's handler. It's her dad who's the psychological intelligence agent. In that Hawaii talk, early on, you can see her mouthing the words for him. And when he goes off-script, like the Hatfill interview, steam practically comes out of her ears.

And yes, his only use is the litmus test. So well put.

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Kathleen Devanney. A human.'s avatar

"Malone does not strike me as brilliant as he thinks he is." I almost spit out my coffee laughing.

I "knew" in my whole body - despite wanting to think this guy was a voice of genuine resistance and advocate of medical freedom - that there was something amiss. Not my gut, I felt physically uncomfortable when he spoke.

Later, facts caught up with that body-wisdom.

Re the hypnotist thing - I watched an entire video that delved into exactly that and used Malone as an example of someone who was trained in it. I wish I could remember whose video!

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Yes I remember watching that too. Was it JJ Couey? In looking for the right one, I reread this one: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/5th-gen-warfare-isnt-throwing-pixels that was Mathew, JJ and Mark reacting to my Phoney Maloney & Wikispooks. Interesting from this perspective now. But that one goes into his pacing and use of hypnotic techniques in the interview he gave with Aubrey Marcus: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/phony-maloney-and-wikispooks. Agreed on that visceral feeling, it wasn't until I saw him on a stage that I knew for certain he was lying. The interviewer said, "Some people say you're controlled opposition. Is that true?" and he answered with a laugh, "No it's not." Guess that was good enough for some people.

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

Malone must have been taught neurolinguistic manipulation. It’s the cadence of his voice and the types of words he chooses. I agree about him being the litmus test. It’s why Nass no longer comes off as credible.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Exactly. That's what someone was saying who analyzed his pacing. He confirms the interviewer, as if he's agreeing, but is actually saying the opposite.

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Billy Field's avatar

Awesome work Tereza THANKYOU VERY MUCH! I am a very understanding & forgiving person but seems to me there has been a "criminal covid enterprise" involving participants from a very wide field of "actors" & it must never be allowed to escape justice. As I think Naomi said "It's a coup"! My pov (or an attempted one) which may be treason!

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Thanks, Billy. Is that Naomi Wolf you're referring to? If so, I think she has her own blind spots as I write about here: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-devil-and-naomi-wolf. And while she 'liked' the comment I posted that I quote in my article, she never responded to my points. Which goes along with Kathleen's comments that those who don't answer valid objections are either avoiding their own cognitive dissonance or in on the coup.

And covid is SO last psyops. The current psyops is Israel. Naomi writes:

"I was taught in Hebrew School that we as Jews are forever God’s “chosen people.” But God does not say that consistently in the Old Testament, at all. There are many times a “Covenant” is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible. But when YHWH explains what He wants from his Children, in “Exodus”, He is clear that certain conduct is expected from us, in order for us to receive his blessing …

"I always thought that many Jews, and indeed the education I had in Hebrew School, alarmingly misread what YHWH so clearly stated. I was taught that being “chosen” as God’s people was a static, lucky status. All you had to do was to be born Jewish—better yet, to be born Jewish, marry a Jewish spouse, raise Jewish children, light Shabbat candles, go to synagogue on the High Holy Days, and visit the State of Israel. I was also taught that God bestowed the Land of Israel to the Jewish people unconditionally. We were not taught in Hebrew school what the Hebrew Bible really says — that we could indeed lose God’s favor and be “un-Chosen” again."

It's not committing genocide that would make Jews unchosen. Oh no, that's required by YHWH! It's tolerating displays of sexual licentiousness and pagan rituals. YHWH hates that, along with intermarriage with non-Jews. I would say Naomi is in on the coup.

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Kathleen Devanney. A human.'s avatar

I would say that the Jewish-chosen people thing goes in deep. That questioning it feels existential and amounts to disloyalty which is simply unacceptable. The tribe- vibe that goes with being 'chosen' is no easy knot to undo. So I don't know that Naomi is part of the coup. I think she deals with the same challenge many jewish people deal with. There's an underlying assumption built in that feels too dangerous to challenge. My take fwiw.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

I agree, Kathleen, and would correct my comment to say that Naomi is UNWITTINGLY in on the coup, which is an important distinction. What's needed to change that is people relentlessly calling Naomi and others out on the supremacism inherent in their scripture, and its genocidal racism and pathological enslavement of everyone else. And not letting others give them a pass by saying, "Well they're right about other things" or "They're nice to me."

The pressure from the outside to examine their views needs to be equal or greater than the pressure from within the cult to go along with it. IMO.

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Kathleen Devanney. A human.'s avatar

We agree then. Yes, unwittingly.

As we both know - the religious control linchpin (Loosening by the day)has to go. Time to free God from religion.

So much has been normalized and allowed because of it. So many brilliant people can't get beyond it. Yet anyway.

"The pressure from the outside to examine their views needs to be equal or greater than the pressure from within the cult to go along with it. IMO."

Love that.

I hope we're close. (One would think an in broad daylight genocide would tip the scales.) Such a big unwind.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

"Time to free God from religion" I just copied that into a draft for later today. Thank you Kathleen, for being you and for recognizing me.

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