Very interesting, as always, Tereza. With regard to Abram, Alban and the Hebrews and Arameans/Arimtheans, you may find more grist to mill in this presentation given by Luke Harding a couple of years ago. He points out that Laban/laban is not only similar to Lebanon, it is also an anagram of Alban, which is Welsh and Cornish for Albion, The White Isle, which opens another tunnel in the warren of rabbit holes. The first migration to Britain (1527 BC) from West Asia is known as The Albyne Migration:
The comments under the video are also worth reading.
This will be a bridge too far for most; but I do remember reading somewhere ("The Gods of Eden," by William Bramley maybe?) that the Hebrews arrived on Earth as refugees from the war which destroyed Tiamat (now the Asteroid Belt) and rendered their planet, Mars, uninhabitable. They were allowed in on condition that they did not have their own land for fear that they would destroy that as well.
TRUE STORY: There were two brothers at school with me. Their family name was Bater. One of the brothers was in my class and one fine day, the geography master lost his temper over the boy's misbehavior and yelled across the classroom: "Go and see the Headmaster, Bater!" The whole class, including the teacher, were reduced to uncontrollable laughter!
Funny story, Tirion ;-) And anagrams are definitely a major technique, which Rhonda has set as her task to unravel. I'll check out the video. I'm going to my daughter's for her birthday (32 yrs since I was nine months pregnant with my first! That seems so strange) so I may be responding sporadically, but I'll watch when I'm back.
I've decided to explain everything that's bad in human terms first, and see if I hit a wall where something seems impossible. So far I think there are techniques that explain a lot.
I'm not sure if I'd say the same but I'm certain you couldn't pay me enough to redo my twenties. In example, there seems to be a Hyksos party going on in the student house next to me, very loud music with heavy bass that they need to yell over. All male as far as I can tell. I think there's some Set worship involved. I'm going to see how high I can crank up my wave sound machine but I'm skeptical.
Makes sense Tereza, thank you. IIRC, Bramley suggests that there are humans on many more planets than just Earth. As with the financial system, sometimes it starts to make more sense if you think about it in a wider context than just Earth ;)
Congratulations to your daughter on her birthday. Oh, to be 32 again! Have a great time!
"This will be a bridge too far for most; but I do remember reading somewhere ("The Gods of Eden," by William Bramley maybe?) that the Hebrews arrived on Earth as refugees from the war which destroyed Tiamat (now the Asteroid Belt) and rendered their planet, Mars, uninhabitable."
This 'bride-too-far' is a perfect size to me. I think this is a cosmic story, and inevitably as we zoom out more and more to grasp the itty-bitty boxes we've been shoved into, we get off this planet, include some others, throw in some cosmic sized wars and... who knows what else?
The question I always come back to is "What difference does it make?" and I know you know I mean that seriously, not rhetorically.
If the 'master baiters' are from Mars (and that fits the metaphor, eh?) then the solution is a cosmic war and an exit from the planet.
If the system of 'master baiting' is usurping the power to control our labor through control of local mortgages, the solution is a recognition this thing, which has never been legal, is happening.
And if we are all OneMind Dreaming, the solution is coming into awareness that it's a dream, through individual experiments because we're really not individuals. It doesn't involve convincing anyone else of anything.
So that's my rationale for putting my energy into the latter two. It's possible that the first is the truth but there's nothing to be done about it, if so. I might as well try the solutions that are easy and maybe even fun.
I hear you. And I'm not sure on what difference it makes - depends on the context you're looking at. In terms of solving problems on the ground (earth) it may not matter at all.
"If the 'master baiters' are from Mars (and that fits the metaphor, eh?) then the solution is a cosmic war and an exit from the planet." I'm not sure about that either. And it could be 'they' are exiting and will continue to, if their presence is tied to a frequency bandwidth that is disappearing. (I think so.)
I don't really care if anyone accepts off-world beings and on-world non-human beings who are behind the current prison-system. I think that is the case, and I think discovering that is helpful in terms of understanding that what we think of as human history is through a highly distorted and abridged lens. That minus this other influence humans would have behaved quite differently. So re-imaging ourselves and what we can do, is, helped by this inclusion. IMO.
I think we're all here to do what is ours to do and I have no doubt you do your bit extremely well. (Literally can't think of anyone else who could do it!)
When I listen or read about non-humans on the planet - like the Elohim - or about cosmic sized wars, my very cells stir. I go where the excitement in my body takes me. But the real beauty of it is, zoom-out story aside, it still comes down to the simplest things. And there, we find ourselves in agreement. We all deserve to be free and live in peace and prosperity and without unwanted intrusion - whether from bankers or government or interdimensional influences that mess with us. :-)
I think the difference it makes is that it provides context, perspective and truth, better understanding/assessment, of our situation and what we're dealing with, which in turn allows us to make better decisions about whether/how we want to respond and live/take part in The Truman Show which has been created for us.
Very eloquent post, Tereza. Decorated with some of my favorite pictures from Amy's post.
You really did an excellent job describing the exchanges between Abdi Ashirta and the Neshua of Egypt. How manipulative he was to pretend to be on the side of Egypt while subverting it's interests, the vassals.
Your quote:
"It’s not the people manipulated into doing the dirty work who concern me but the mind conspiring to turn them into weapons against others for their own power and amusement. Of course, the hands themselves are best positioned to know what’s controlling them. You don’t have to allow yourself to be Yews/ ewes/ used."
Abdi-Ashirta’s and his son Aziru weaponized the Habiru wanderers to do the dirty work. This was in a time "after" the Heka Khasut were expelled from Egypt am I right? --- Amenhotep III, ruled Egypt from 1386 to 1349 BC.
Hyksos rule: (1630–1523 BCE) There were overlapping kingdoms for a time
New Kingdom (1570-1069 BCE).
I found this interesting:
"Aramaic language was originally spoken by the ancient Middle Eastern people known as Aramaeans. Aramaic had replaced Hebrew as the language of the Jews as early as the 6th century BCE." Since I wasn't researching Aramaic for what I was doing, so that means Hebrew language was on the wane roughly about the same time as when Cimmerians and Scythians started showing up.
"The Sea Peoples are a hypothesized seafaring confederation that attacked ancient Egypt and other regions in the East Mediterranean before and during the Late Bronze Age collapse (1200 BC – 900 BC).[2][3] Following the creation of the concept in the 19th century, the Sea Peoples' incursions became one of the most famous chapters of Egyptian history. Other research suggest that these were the Luwians."
Menmaatre Seti I second king of the Nineteenth Dynasty of Egypt during the New Kingdom period, ruling c. 1294 or 1290 BC to 1279 BC. was known for having "protected" a population of Habiru at Beit She'an. Seti means "man of Seth," so the Habiru had a cult in common with Seti.
Seth was a major cult that was important to the Heka Khasut / Hyksos, there is a Hebrew / Habiru version of Seth related to the Egyptian one, because religions make story inversions of figures as they come across from other religions or hold parts of them in common. The Egyptians could theoretically see "Seth" as bad and belonging to wild tumult and foreigners in the time of the Semitic Hyksos invasion; whereas foreign Semites like the Hyksos might see the same god as positive, which they most certainly did.
So much detail to your post, it must be nice to have a copy of the Armarna Letters, I could not imagine being able to have the level of detail you present here without it. I'll be buying a copy. Wikipedia has some obvious flaws, as you pointed out in our prior exchange about the "house of meat." Thank you for sharing your insights ;-)
Thank you, Nef. I was looking through that linked Wiki post on Hyksos to get a better sense of the dates and came across this, that might interest you: "The Hyksos are known to have worshiped the Canaanite storm god Baal, who was associated with the Egyptian god Set. Set appears to have been the patron god of Avaris as early as the Fourteenth Dynasty. Hyksos iconography of their kings on some scarabs shows a mixture of Egyptian pharaonic dress with a raised club, the iconography of Baal."
Somewhere I thought that the Hyksos were finally expelled in 1430 but I could be confused. I remember thinking that it wasn't that long before the Habiru started showing up in the 14th c.
My sense is the Canaanite people and Habiru had a type of cultural exchange. They may very well combined the gods together; there are references to Seth-Baal:
Scarab with a Representation of Seth-Baal and Uraeus
"On the underside of this scarab, an aroused cobra (uraeus) is placed in front of a figure of the god Seth-Baal, identified by his outstretched wing, long ears and snout. Above him is a sun disk. Such representations were very popular on stamp seals during the late New Kingdom, when Seth became a kind of patron deity of the kings of the Ramesside dynasties (Dynasty 19–20, ca. 1295–1070 B.C.). Seth was closely identified with the Near Eastern god Baal, becoming a ‘hybrid’ deity, the winged Seth-Baal."
According to some things I found there was a slow trickle of Habiru sometime around 1800 BC or so, I'll look into that further, timelines might not be so accurate too.
Your approach to this by focusing on the people involved is impeccable. ;-)
Aroused cobra, eh? That fits my theme. Poisoned and toxic masculinity.
I was just thinking about this with the reference to an Egyptian dress and raised club representing Ba'al, who was an agricultural deity represented by a cow. I think this isn't a cultural merger but a theft, a usurping like putting their names on the sphinx statues that were of previous kings. They erased the legacy and claimed it for themselves, without doing the work of producing it.
I think this was the theft of the 'household gods' when Jacob left Laban. He stole the Lebanese god Ba'al and turned it into Set, sullying its name and stealing its power.
Yes you are right, I should have put quotations around "a type of" cultural exchange. The type of cultural exchanges were very often involving the act of outright overpowering, or sneaky ingratiation and subversion; with the results often being some form of inverted story.
"Stealing the Lebanese god Ba'al and turned it into Set, sullying its name and stealing its power." I wonder if this theft of Baal was pre-Hyksos? It might be unrelated but worth mentioning; the cattle cult in Nabta Playa:
There's some archeological evidence that there were people living in the Sahara that had a Deity of a bull, it was cut out of stone and found buried 6 feet below the center of what is now called the African Stone Hinge. Approx 7 to 8 thousand years old. Worship of the bull must have been popular in many places.
have you looked at the astrological progression of houses with the animals worshipped? bull goat fish and how that corresponds to the worshipped/sacred animals?
That's an interesting way to view the sacred animals. There just might be an astrological connection. The Saharan Deity of a bull, that I mentioned was placed in a position that would have lined up with constellation Taurus. People of Gobekli Tepe apparently did have a system of astrological observation as much as 15,000 years ago. An excellent point, Guy.
I consider her a friend and an inspiring teacher. I kind of think of her like a sister, She has a lot of intensity, like my sister and I admire it.
I hope she won't take offense for me saying that here.....
I don't know if she feels that way about me, I just try to contribute however I can; I am always a student, to have an opportunity to work with on her these things is such a blessing.
I am also learning from everyone else here too, like from you.
I don't know whether this is helpful or not; but the British forensic historians, Wilson and Blackett, claim that the generally accepted Ancient Egyptian chronologies are wrong as a result of a great deal of duplication and mis-dating. They further claim that much of the radio-carbon 14 dating results have been fudged, the results divided by 80 and then multiplied by 100 to make them better fit the desired narrative.
Their assessment is that Egypt was almost certainly conquered around 2150-1993 BC by Mesopotamian kings, who sailed their fleets south from Sumer and Akkad down The Persian Gulf, north into The Red Sea, before crossing over land to The Upper Nile. This conquest led to the creation of the First Dynasty of Pharaohs. The seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth dynasties were not Egyptian Pharaohs but local city or Nome dynasties. They also suggest that the 11th, 12th, 15th - 20th dynasties were parallel or duplicate dynasties, meaning that the Egyptian chronolgies are about 1120 years longer than they really were.
"The Trojan War of 650 BC" (SECOND EDITION): Chapter 10 - "The Great Egyptology Muddle"
Timelines in Archeology are somewhat unreliable further back you are trying to date something. There are some significantly more advanced stone work of what appears to be older than the dynastic era. Aswan Granite with tube drill holes in them that obviously couldn't have been made with the "copper chisels and stone hammers," Egyptologist keep trying to tell us were used.
With genetics research, there are some things that can get revealed that get missed with carbon 14. Culture and Language study exposes what the physical science cannot. I tend to use timelines as a minor bench mark only. I'll check out the link ;-)
Haven't finished reading this yet Tereza, but so far I love it! Your brand and spirit is strong, ;-)- (trying to wink while biting my tongue). And the only reason I don't read or view your work immediately is because it's sometimes too intense, which is not always a good reason, and never when it matters. Will finish reading this ASAP.
hola, tereza. another fascinating re-look at the so-called 'history', aka story, of the bible's take on the jewish place there and in egypt. and so you continue to open up so many places to put our quest, questions and curiosity. fantastic.
under one of nefahotep's comments, below, nef's comment on bull worship brought to mind something my sister had me read a few years ago. how the sacred/worshipped animals correspond with the progression of the astrological signs: bull (taurus), goat (capricorn) and fish (pisces). the chapter in the book, i've forgotten the author, makes a compelling argument of their correspondence. so many objects and timelines of curiosity, so little time. i continue to poke along my way and very much appreciate your efforts that provide a grounding and depth to my questioning and view.
all the best with what is changing. everything changes! peace, respect, love and exuberant joy.
Intriguing idea, Guy. The animal representing Yahweh was an ass, a donkey. And Abdi-Ashirta was represented as the jackal. So maybe that's a clue that they deviated from the astrological 'natural' order and introduced something artificial. Did ancient cultures worship fish? I like the idea of it. Appreciate you reading, Guy.
Very interesting, as always, Tereza. With regard to Abram, Alban and the Hebrews and Arameans/Arimtheans, you may find more grist to mill in this presentation given by Luke Harding a couple of years ago. He points out that Laban/laban is not only similar to Lebanon, it is also an anagram of Alban, which is Welsh and Cornish for Albion, The White Isle, which opens another tunnel in the warren of rabbit holes. The first migration to Britain (1527 BC) from West Asia is known as The Albyne Migration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsnDlZhZ-cY&t=7s
The comments under the video are also worth reading.
This will be a bridge too far for most; but I do remember reading somewhere ("The Gods of Eden," by William Bramley maybe?) that the Hebrews arrived on Earth as refugees from the war which destroyed Tiamat (now the Asteroid Belt) and rendered their planet, Mars, uninhabitable. They were allowed in on condition that they did not have their own land for fear that they would destroy that as well.
TRUE STORY: There were two brothers at school with me. Their family name was Bater. One of the brothers was in my class and one fine day, the geography master lost his temper over the boy's misbehavior and yelled across the classroom: "Go and see the Headmaster, Bater!" The whole class, including the teacher, were reduced to uncontrollable laughter!
Funny story, Tirion ;-) And anagrams are definitely a major technique, which Rhonda has set as her task to unravel. I'll check out the video. I'm going to my daughter's for her birthday (32 yrs since I was nine months pregnant with my first! That seems so strange) so I may be responding sporadically, but I'll watch when I'm back.
I've decided to explain everything that's bad in human terms first, and see if I hit a wall where something seems impossible. So far I think there are techniques that explain a lot.
I sure wish I was 32 again. Have fun and have a safe trip ;-)
I'm not sure if I'd say the same but I'm certain you couldn't pay me enough to redo my twenties. In example, there seems to be a Hyksos party going on in the student house next to me, very loud music with heavy bass that they need to yell over. All male as far as I can tell. I think there's some Set worship involved. I'm going to see how high I can crank up my wave sound machine but I'm skeptical.
Young people just love to party hardy.😅
I always wondered what Seth worship was really like.
I used to have roommates who did the serious parties back in the 90's, I always made excuses to be somewhere else. ;-)
Makes sense Tereza, thank you. IIRC, Bramley suggests that there are humans on many more planets than just Earth. As with the financial system, sometimes it starts to make more sense if you think about it in a wider context than just Earth ;)
Congratulations to your daughter on her birthday. Oh, to be 32 again! Have a great time!
Her theme is 'groovy' and she's gotten a water slide. I'm setting up the Tarot and Oracle readings corner, so I will dress appropriately.
🙌🏻
"This will be a bridge too far for most; but I do remember reading somewhere ("The Gods of Eden," by William Bramley maybe?) that the Hebrews arrived on Earth as refugees from the war which destroyed Tiamat (now the Asteroid Belt) and rendered their planet, Mars, uninhabitable."
This 'bride-too-far' is a perfect size to me. I think this is a cosmic story, and inevitably as we zoom out more and more to grasp the itty-bitty boxes we've been shoved into, we get off this planet, include some others, throw in some cosmic sized wars and... who knows what else?
The question I always come back to is "What difference does it make?" and I know you know I mean that seriously, not rhetorically.
If the 'master baiters' are from Mars (and that fits the metaphor, eh?) then the solution is a cosmic war and an exit from the planet.
If the system of 'master baiting' is usurping the power to control our labor through control of local mortgages, the solution is a recognition this thing, which has never been legal, is happening.
And if we are all OneMind Dreaming, the solution is coming into awareness that it's a dream, through individual experiments because we're really not individuals. It doesn't involve convincing anyone else of anything.
So that's my rationale for putting my energy into the latter two. It's possible that the first is the truth but there's nothing to be done about it, if so. I might as well try the solutions that are easy and maybe even fun.
I hear you. And I'm not sure on what difference it makes - depends on the context you're looking at. In terms of solving problems on the ground (earth) it may not matter at all.
"If the 'master baiters' are from Mars (and that fits the metaphor, eh?) then the solution is a cosmic war and an exit from the planet." I'm not sure about that either. And it could be 'they' are exiting and will continue to, if their presence is tied to a frequency bandwidth that is disappearing. (I think so.)
I don't really care if anyone accepts off-world beings and on-world non-human beings who are behind the current prison-system. I think that is the case, and I think discovering that is helpful in terms of understanding that what we think of as human history is through a highly distorted and abridged lens. That minus this other influence humans would have behaved quite differently. So re-imaging ourselves and what we can do, is, helped by this inclusion. IMO.
I think we're all here to do what is ours to do and I have no doubt you do your bit extremely well. (Literally can't think of anyone else who could do it!)
When I listen or read about non-humans on the planet - like the Elohim - or about cosmic sized wars, my very cells stir. I go where the excitement in my body takes me. But the real beauty of it is, zoom-out story aside, it still comes down to the simplest things. And there, we find ourselves in agreement. We all deserve to be free and live in peace and prosperity and without unwanted intrusion - whether from bankers or government or interdimensional influences that mess with us. :-)
I think the difference it makes is that it provides context, perspective and truth, better understanding/assessment, of our situation and what we're dealing with, which in turn allows us to make better decisions about whether/how we want to respond and live/take part in The Truman Show which has been created for us.
Very eloquent post, Tereza. Decorated with some of my favorite pictures from Amy's post.
You really did an excellent job describing the exchanges between Abdi Ashirta and the Neshua of Egypt. How manipulative he was to pretend to be on the side of Egypt while subverting it's interests, the vassals.
Your quote:
"It’s not the people manipulated into doing the dirty work who concern me but the mind conspiring to turn them into weapons against others for their own power and amusement. Of course, the hands themselves are best positioned to know what’s controlling them. You don’t have to allow yourself to be Yews/ ewes/ used."
Abdi-Ashirta’s and his son Aziru weaponized the Habiru wanderers to do the dirty work. This was in a time "after" the Heka Khasut were expelled from Egypt am I right? --- Amenhotep III, ruled Egypt from 1386 to 1349 BC.
Hyksos rule: (1630–1523 BCE) There were overlapping kingdoms for a time
New Kingdom (1570-1069 BCE).
I found this interesting:
"Aramaic language was originally spoken by the ancient Middle Eastern people known as Aramaeans. Aramaic had replaced Hebrew as the language of the Jews as early as the 6th century BCE." Since I wasn't researching Aramaic for what I was doing, so that means Hebrew language was on the wane roughly about the same time as when Cimmerians and Scythians started showing up.
Just before that there were some invasions from the sea by those called the "Sea People" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples
"The Sea Peoples are a hypothesized seafaring confederation that attacked ancient Egypt and other regions in the East Mediterranean before and during the Late Bronze Age collapse (1200 BC – 900 BC).[2][3] Following the creation of the concept in the 19th century, the Sea Peoples' incursions became one of the most famous chapters of Egyptian history. Other research suggest that these were the Luwians."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luwians
Menmaatre Seti I second king of the Nineteenth Dynasty of Egypt during the New Kingdom period, ruling c. 1294 or 1290 BC to 1279 BC. was known for having "protected" a population of Habiru at Beit She'an. Seti means "man of Seth," so the Habiru had a cult in common with Seti.
Seth was a major cult that was important to the Heka Khasut / Hyksos, there is a Hebrew / Habiru version of Seth related to the Egyptian one, because religions make story inversions of figures as they come across from other religions or hold parts of them in common. The Egyptians could theoretically see "Seth" as bad and belonging to wild tumult and foreigners in the time of the Semitic Hyksos invasion; whereas foreign Semites like the Hyksos might see the same god as positive, which they most certainly did.
There is an old book on "Sethian Religion" called Sethian Gnosticism, this appears to be about the Hebrew version of Seth, https://books.google.com/books?id=TeQ3AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA457#v=onepage&q&f=false
So much detail to your post, it must be nice to have a copy of the Armarna Letters, I could not imagine being able to have the level of detail you present here without it. I'll be buying a copy. Wikipedia has some obvious flaws, as you pointed out in our prior exchange about the "house of meat." Thank you for sharing your insights ;-)
Thank you, Nef. I was looking through that linked Wiki post on Hyksos to get a better sense of the dates and came across this, that might interest you: "The Hyksos are known to have worshiped the Canaanite storm god Baal, who was associated with the Egyptian god Set. Set appears to have been the patron god of Avaris as early as the Fourteenth Dynasty. Hyksos iconography of their kings on some scarabs shows a mixture of Egyptian pharaonic dress with a raised club, the iconography of Baal."
Somewhere I thought that the Hyksos were finally expelled in 1430 but I could be confused. I remember thinking that it wasn't that long before the Habiru started showing up in the 14th c.
Thanks for all the great information!
My sense is the Canaanite people and Habiru had a type of cultural exchange. They may very well combined the gods together; there are references to Seth-Baal:
Scarab with a Representation of Seth-Baal and Uraeus
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/557091
"On the underside of this scarab, an aroused cobra (uraeus) is placed in front of a figure of the god Seth-Baal, identified by his outstretched wing, long ears and snout. Above him is a sun disk. Such representations were very popular on stamp seals during the late New Kingdom, when Seth became a kind of patron deity of the kings of the Ramesside dynasties (Dynasty 19–20, ca. 1295–1070 B.C.). Seth was closely identified with the Near Eastern god Baal, becoming a ‘hybrid’ deity, the winged Seth-Baal."
According to some things I found there was a slow trickle of Habiru sometime around 1800 BC or so, I'll look into that further, timelines might not be so accurate too.
Your approach to this by focusing on the people involved is impeccable. ;-)
Aroused cobra, eh? That fits my theme. Poisoned and toxic masculinity.
I was just thinking about this with the reference to an Egyptian dress and raised club representing Ba'al, who was an agricultural deity represented by a cow. I think this isn't a cultural merger but a theft, a usurping like putting their names on the sphinx statues that were of previous kings. They erased the legacy and claimed it for themselves, without doing the work of producing it.
I think this was the theft of the 'household gods' when Jacob left Laban. He stole the Lebanese god Ba'al and turned it into Set, sullying its name and stealing its power.
Yes you are right, I should have put quotations around "a type of" cultural exchange. The type of cultural exchanges were very often involving the act of outright overpowering, or sneaky ingratiation and subversion; with the results often being some form of inverted story.
"Stealing the Lebanese god Ba'al and turned it into Set, sullying its name and stealing its power." I wonder if this theft of Baal was pre-Hyksos? It might be unrelated but worth mentioning; the cattle cult in Nabta Playa:
There's some archeological evidence that there were people living in the Sahara that had a Deity of a bull, it was cut out of stone and found buried 6 feet below the center of what is now called the African Stone Hinge. Approx 7 to 8 thousand years old. Worship of the bull must have been popular in many places.
This article has some description: https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/nabta-playa-the-worlds-first-astronomical-site-was-built-in-africa-and-is
The book I linked above might have some things in there about the Gnostics you mentioned to me once.
I found something that may be useful about "Seth - Baal" there's a free download site: https://www.academia.edu/239327/Seth_is_Baal_Evidence_from_the_Egyptian_Script
I got a copy but I will dig through it later.
I was also able to get a full download of the Armarna Letters --- Yay!!
Here's the site, it may be useful for you in pdf because you can copy paste things from it: https://pdfcoffee.com/moran-1992-the-amarna-letters-pdf-free.html
Before I send the post on Scythians, I'm going to sift through to see if there any other things that could be cited.
---- Cheers ;-)
have you looked at the astrological progression of houses with the animals worshipped? bull goat fish and how that corresponds to the worshipped/sacred animals?
That's an interesting way to view the sacred animals. There just might be an astrological connection. The Saharan Deity of a bull, that I mentioned was placed in a position that would have lined up with constellation Taurus. People of Gobekli Tepe apparently did have a system of astrological observation as much as 15,000 years ago. An excellent point, Guy.
When I read your and Tereza's exchanges I can't help but think how great it is you've found each other. :-)
I hope she feels that way, at least a little.
I consider her a friend and an inspiring teacher. I kind of think of her like a sister, She has a lot of intensity, like my sister and I admire it.
I hope she won't take offense for me saying that here.....
I don't know if she feels that way about me, I just try to contribute however I can; I am always a student, to have an opportunity to work with on her these things is such a blessing.
I am also learning from everyone else here too, like from you.
Thank you Kathleen for noticing that. ;-)
I don't know whether this is helpful or not; but the British forensic historians, Wilson and Blackett, claim that the generally accepted Ancient Egyptian chronologies are wrong as a result of a great deal of duplication and mis-dating. They further claim that much of the radio-carbon 14 dating results have been fudged, the results divided by 80 and then multiplied by 100 to make them better fit the desired narrative.
Their assessment is that Egypt was almost certainly conquered around 2150-1993 BC by Mesopotamian kings, who sailed their fleets south from Sumer and Akkad down The Persian Gulf, north into The Red Sea, before crossing over land to The Upper Nile. This conquest led to the creation of the First Dynasty of Pharaohs. The seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth dynasties were not Egyptian Pharaohs but local city or Nome dynasties. They also suggest that the 11th, 12th, 15th - 20th dynasties were parallel or duplicate dynasties, meaning that the Egyptian chronolgies are about 1120 years longer than they really were.
"The Trojan War of 650 BC" (SECOND EDITION): Chapter 10 - "The Great Egyptology Muddle"
https://www.cymroglyphics.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=65
Timelines in Archeology are somewhat unreliable further back you are trying to date something. There are some significantly more advanced stone work of what appears to be older than the dynastic era. Aswan Granite with tube drill holes in them that obviously couldn't have been made with the "copper chisels and stone hammers," Egyptologist keep trying to tell us were used.
With genetics research, there are some things that can get revealed that get missed with carbon 14. Culture and Language study exposes what the physical science cannot. I tend to use timelines as a minor bench mark only. I'll check out the link ;-)
Haven't finished reading this yet Tereza, but so far I love it! Your brand and spirit is strong, ;-)- (trying to wink while biting my tongue). And the only reason I don't read or view your work immediately is because it's sometimes too intense, which is not always a good reason, and never when it matters. Will finish reading this ASAP.
I love the emoji explanation, shaqer ;-) Whenever you read it, it's always an honor to me that you do.
hola, tereza. another fascinating re-look at the so-called 'history', aka story, of the bible's take on the jewish place there and in egypt. and so you continue to open up so many places to put our quest, questions and curiosity. fantastic.
under one of nefahotep's comments, below, nef's comment on bull worship brought to mind something my sister had me read a few years ago. how the sacred/worshipped animals correspond with the progression of the astrological signs: bull (taurus), goat (capricorn) and fish (pisces). the chapter in the book, i've forgotten the author, makes a compelling argument of their correspondence. so many objects and timelines of curiosity, so little time. i continue to poke along my way and very much appreciate your efforts that provide a grounding and depth to my questioning and view.
all the best with what is changing. everything changes! peace, respect, love and exuberant joy.
Intriguing idea, Guy. The animal representing Yahweh was an ass, a donkey. And Abdi-Ashirta was represented as the jackal. So maybe that's a clue that they deviated from the astrological 'natural' order and introduced something artificial. Did ancient cultures worship fish? I like the idea of it. Appreciate you reading, Guy.
one of the representations of a christian is the fish symbol.
and jc was a fisher of people.