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Very interesting, as always, Tereza. With regard to Abram, Alban and the Hebrews and Arameans/Arimtheans, you may find more grist to mill in this presentation given by Luke Harding a couple of years ago. He points out that Laban/laban is not only similar to Lebanon, it is also an anagram of Alban, which is Welsh and Cornish for Albion, The White Isle, which opens another tunnel in the warren of rabbit holes. The first migration to Britain (1527 BC) from West Asia is known as The Albyne Migration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsnDlZhZ-cY&t=7s

The comments under the video are also worth reading.

This will be a bridge too far for most; but I do remember reading somewhere ("The Gods of Eden," by William Bramley maybe?) that the Hebrews arrived on Earth as refugees from the war which destroyed Tiamat (now the Asteroid Belt) and rendered their planet, Mars, uninhabitable. They were allowed in on condition that they did not have their own land for fear that they would destroy that as well.

TRUE STORY: There were two brothers at school with me. Their family name was Bater. One of the brothers was in my class and one fine day, the geography master lost his temper over the boy's misbehavior and yelled across the classroom: "Go and see the Headmaster, Bater!" The whole class, including the teacher, were reduced to uncontrollable laughter!

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Very eloquent post, Tereza. Decorated with some of my favorite pictures from Amy's post.

You really did an excellent job describing the exchanges between Abdi Ashirta and the Neshua of Egypt. How manipulative he was to pretend to be on the side of Egypt while subverting it's interests, the vassals.

Your quote:

"It’s not the people manipulated into doing the dirty work who concern me but the mind conspiring to turn them into weapons against others for their own power and amusement. Of course, the hands themselves are best positioned to know what’s controlling them. You don’t have to allow yourself to be Yews/ ewes/ used."

Abdi-Ashirta’s and his son Aziru weaponized the Habiru wanderers to do the dirty work. This was in a time "after" the Heka Khasut were expelled from Egypt am I right? --- Amenhotep III, ruled Egypt from 1386 to 1349 BC.

Hyksos rule: (1630–1523 BCE) There were overlapping kingdoms for a time

New Kingdom (1570-1069 BCE).

I found this interesting:

"Aramaic language was originally spoken by the ancient Middle Eastern people known as Aramaeans. Aramaic had replaced Hebrew as the language of the Jews as early as the 6th century BCE." Since I wasn't researching Aramaic for what I was doing, so that means Hebrew language was on the wane roughly about the same time as when Cimmerians and Scythians started showing up.

Just before that there were some invasions from the sea by those called the "Sea People" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

"The Sea Peoples are a hypothesized seafaring confederation that attacked ancient Egypt and other regions in the East Mediterranean before and during the Late Bronze Age collapse (1200 BC – 900 BC).[2][3] Following the creation of the concept in the 19th century, the Sea Peoples' incursions became one of the most famous chapters of Egyptian history. Other research suggest that these were the Luwians."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luwians

Menmaatre Seti I second king of the Nineteenth Dynasty of Egypt during the New Kingdom period, ruling c. 1294 or 1290 BC to 1279 BC. was known for having "protected" a population of Habiru at Beit She'an. Seti means "man of Seth," so the Habiru had a cult in common with Seti.

Seth was a major cult that was important to the Heka Khasut / Hyksos, there is a Hebrew / Habiru version of Seth related to the Egyptian one, because religions make story inversions of figures as they come across from other religions or hold parts of them in common. The Egyptians could theoretically see "Seth" as bad and belonging to wild tumult and foreigners in the time of the Semitic Hyksos invasion; whereas foreign Semites like the Hyksos might see the same god as positive, which they most certainly did.

There is an old book on "Sethian Religion" called Sethian Gnosticism, this appears to be about the Hebrew version of Seth, https://books.google.com/books?id=TeQ3AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA457#v=onepage&q&f=false

So much detail to your post, it must be nice to have a copy of the Armarna Letters, I could not imagine being able to have the level of detail you present here without it. I'll be buying a copy. Wikipedia has some obvious flaws, as you pointed out in our prior exchange about the "house of meat." Thank you for sharing your insights ;-)

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