Tereza, the problem with your discussion comparing your caret system with the actual system is that you're comparing apples with oranges. Your caret system is a closed and coherent financial system, while what currently passes for our financial/monetary system is less a financial system and more a control mechanism, a core tool used in implementation of the control-manipulate-harvest business model used to operate this planet. Having worked in financial services for decades, I walked away having reached the conclusion that the entire system was fake and fraudulent. I think the numbers are all made up as needed - they certainly don't add up - and the real role of regulators is to run cover for the criminals they're supposed to be regulating. It's all a giant scam.
That may be the nicest thing anyone has ever said about my system, Tirion. "Closed and coherent." Those words are music to my ears because they're precise, and mean even more with your background in financial services.
Somewhere in my book I say that there's an inverse relationship between the freedom of money and goods to cross borders and the freedom of people. If we had closed local economies that favored the longterm residents, I'm not certain we'd need to control the borders. People don't want to leave their families behind and go work for other people in order to send money back. It's our destruction of other economies that makes us need that castle wall and moat, to keep those who cross it enslaved.
And coherent! Everyone gets stuck on "How is this going to happen?" which is an impossible question to answer without a crystal ball--and who believes Cassandra even if she has good news? The real question is what would work logistically. And that's the conversation I'm trying to instigate. If the opportunity for system change presented itself before we knew what we wanted--and knew it would work--that chance would be wasted.
So really, what happens to the dollar and the national debt doesn't concern me. I want to protect our communities and make sure that looming disaster can't take our assets. Thank you so much, Tirion!
Cool, thank you, Tereza. No, we don't know "How is this going to happen?"; but we can probably be fairly sure that necessity will be the mother of invention. Much will be tried and most of it will probably fail/be wasted - at least the first time; but sooner or later some things will work and gain adoption.
You are of course right not to worry about the dollar or the national debt. They are both abstractions without which we can all do very well - indeed, they are at the core of the problem of humanity's enslavement rather than part of the solution. Dollars are the chains that keep us enslaved.
To protect our communities from the looming disaster is deeply problematic. If you've read/seen "The Great Taking," you understand why. To achieve protection, you have to get out of the system; and that is not easy. Gold/silver bullion under the bed and a pistol under the pillow is the best advice I can offer, and of course that's hardly ideal. Even unencumbered land and buildings are vulnerable to The Great Taking.
As I was reading this post, I was thinking again that all this is very confusing and that I don't really understand it, but then I read your comment and that reminded me that your conclusion was basically the same one I had come to, with a lot of help and a lot less experience.
What you pointed out in your first sentence is an important point. The challenge is that in some ways this is hard to see, because a lot of the language used is similar or the same. "Refinances", "credits", "backed by", "banks" are some of the words in the article that I think Tereza used to refer to her economic system, but that we also use for the current system.
It is really hard for me to get a grasp on the reality of the situation. When we talk about trillions of dollars it just seems so abstract.
Hi, josh. Thanks for reading this and sticking with it despite the resistance to the language and topic. I have a draft of an article called The Master's Tools, which we're told we can't use to dismantle the master's house. I think that sentiment has been used to disempower us--keeping the power tools for themselves while we're pulling out screws with our fingernails. It confuses means and ends.
The goals of my caret system are to increase home ownership, small local businesses and small local landlords, maximize local goods and services, minimize monopolies and outside ownership.
These are the opposite of their goal, which is for us to own nothing. Santa Cruz is well on its way to that, with over 50% renters and most of the owners aging out. I talked to a friend at dance who's newly married and they rent from a Google exec who lives in Silicon Valley. They'll never be able to buy, with the average mortgage over $1M. They're hoping to build on her mom's property, if the city and insurances don't thwart them.
If we avoid the financial instruments they use, because we hate their goal, they have all the power (tools). It's like having an aversion to spirituality because Catholicism was crammed down your throat. They win if we let them define God and money, and then either go along with it or reject it. I think we need to claim both for ourselves.
Tirion, "The Great Taking" shows an important part of the puzzle in comprehending the Economic System we are in. It's discussion is centered on "Trusts." In October of last year, I posted this:
In this post I also reference most of my source info on how the Trust System is really at the core of Monetary Policies, Government Policies, Corporate Control of Equities, Land Ownership, how the Corporate Government is ruling from behind a curtain, while most people are fooled into accepting the Government as a Republic. There are many dimensions to this. In this post, I referenced another substack; that corroborates the items in my post: https://badlands.substack.com/p/its-all-about-trust-law by American Hypnotist.
There is a commenter in American Hypnotist's post that everyone should read. He goes by "Bitter Root Services" I think the comment approximately half way down, he describes "why" the whole Globalist, Centralized System seems to keep going and why the Power to "control" something is seemingly more attractive than "owning" something. Trust are like Russian nesting dolls. Trust can exist inside of Trusts, inside of Trust, inside of.... well you get the idea.
In my post, Corporate Chains of Custody there is a diagram of approximately how this looks, a picture is worth a thousand words.
And after I actually went to that comment section, I found that Tereza and Bitter Root had a most wonderful exchange; important and informative enough that I'm printing it out; I wish I had gone to check it out before. Here is a direct link to the comment section, if you would like to check it out; I hope you will. ;-)
I wondered that you were liking that now, Nef. I just posted a note on Kevin Barrett's interview of Richard Gage, who's looking at common techniques between 911 and Oct 7th. I haven't listened yet but here's my note, which seems relevant to this discussion:
"I'm eager to listen to this. I interviewed Richard 15 yrs ago on my radio show, Third Paradigm, in the basement of a pirate station, Free Radio Santa Cruz. Someone had wanted me to do it, even though I wasn't interested in 911. But in preparation, I watched his videos and read his articles, then showed them to my daughters, and none of us have ever been the same.
"On my stack, we've been analyzing the same tactics going back 4000 years and looking for the powers behind the thrones. The technique might be termed 'conquest by infiltration rather than invasion.' My book, How to Dismantle an Empire, traces back the coinage of money and taxation as a key mechanism of control. Another important element is the theocracy, giving divinity to the right to rule and producing scriptures of a sociopathic god, as Guyenot describes him.
"Richard is adding the third element of terrorism and violence. Pepe outlined this recently in his article on Russia and China taking off the gloves in dealing with the Hegemon. These techniques may go back to the Hyksos infiltrating ancient Egypt, and the Habiru (Hebrew) led by the mercenary warlord Abdi-Ashirta, whose name may be Abram in the Torah.
"I'll certainly be adding this to a future episode on the topic. The most recent in this vein is: thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-psycho…. Thanks much, Kevin!"
The only reason it took so long to "like" those comments is because it doesn't do email relay, if it's not in a direct response. I know you had mentioned there was an exchange with Bitter Root, either in our emails to each other or to another comment thread. But, as you know when too many things are going on, one thing leads to another; I forget to go back older threads. It's all good though, I'm printing it out so I never lose it. ;-)
I learned what I know on the job, in the 1980s. Trusts are a highly-complex area of law which attracts some of the highest-paid lawyers and accountants in the country. I have probably forgotten most of what I knew. The "Shire Herald" 'Stack writes about trusts occasionally.
Tereza, I just finished your book, which is my new favorite! Your analysis of the system and path to a solution are both brilliant, which is a very rare accomplishment. If Wendell Berry’s is the “thing with feathers” your vision to me is “the thing with feet” (and feathers!)
Thanks for all your work, looking forward to the next!
Charles, what an extraordinary compliment! Haha, I love thinking of my plan as the thing with feet and feathers! Yes, I first intended to just write about the path to a solution in a book called A 2020 Vision: the Economics of Community. At that time, it was 2012, so I was able to get the domain name a2020vision.org. But I realized that people didn't understand how the system worked in order to see why we needed change at the system level. They still thought they could tweak it, tax the rich, generate some local currencies, and everything would be fine. So that's why I focused on analyzing the system in this book, and only laying out the path to the solution in the last section.
And I love how you phrase that 'the path towards ...' It makes it clear it's not someone else fixing it for you. It's showing what seems to be the straightest, easiest and most pleasurable path, to my mind. I appreciate the encouragement for a next book!
That is such a compliment coming from the master gardener! I can't really take credit. I'm not even sure what the one behind me is called, or where it came from. I think it sneaked under the fence from my neighbor's yard (the Bonny Doon winery owner, not the taquerias--they use all of their yard for parties, in which they put us to shame, all of the men singing until the wee hours ;-)
And yes! What my plan does is combine public banking and issuing the debt with MMT and issuing the credit to repay the debt with local currencies and controlling the exchange rate and taxation of that credit. You need all three.
Oh right! I knew that somewhere in the recesses of my brain. Isn't it magnificent? I've been hanging out with it since my chair's already set up and it needs some appreciation.
The right of secession is like the right of divorce--if union is forced, someone's getting raped.
I write a lot about secession in my book, citing the Vermont secessionist movement from their cleverly named anthology, Most Likely to Secede. It protects all other rights.
What my system does is create a supplemental economy that allows for economic secession after an alternative has been built up. If they secede from the government and not the Federal Reserve banking system, they're just as captive as before. But they do have South Dakota nearby to provide that public banking example so maybe they'll figure it out. Thanks for sharing this, David.
My first thought when I read this was, this action was the trigger for the American Civil War.
I hope history does not repeat it's self again, but if this continues it would make it much more difficult for The Deep State to impose their will on American ppoplus.
After I read the articles, I realized they're counties trying to secede from blue Oregon and join red Idaho. My hometown in Maryland has tried to do the same, since they're a thin line between W Va, with whom they have much more in common, and PA but a long ways from Baltimore and Annapolis.
I write about the Civil War in my book and how we've been lied to about it. The North tried to secede first, as a way of ending slavery by not forcing extradition back to the South for runaways. Lincoln promised Virginia she could keep her slaves if she didn't secede. It was really the Northern capitalists who wanted the cheap free labor in their factories from 'freed' slaves with no means of employment, and to destroy the plantation system that didn't let them get in the middle. It's just like saying, in retrospect, that WWII was fought to free the Jews when all the history of the time shows it was to destroy Germany.
On the YouTube video, there are some very important points that are made. Inquiries into the manner in which our National Debt is owned by Foreign countries. The whole discussion is really worth checking out. I'll offer my quotes here:
"The economic system based off debt needs to change. The painting contractor, who went out of his way to fix and restore your car, shows us all that there's true treasure all around us and that's each of us. Our own human capital works wonders when we are determined to help each other."
Tereza's response:
"Actually, though, debt isn't bad--it really is an asset like Stephanie says. We're born into houses built by others, fed and taught by others, with infrastructure that brings us power and water from others. We do owe them a debt, and to the next generation. As a means of exchange and reciprocity, that debt could become a beautiful thing.
And it was my neighbor, but certainly the same principle. He had a young guy from the restaurant doing the painting, who wasn't as steady on that ladder as a contractor would have been. But it's all good! And yes, I feel surrounded by treasure in human capital!"
I do see her point about debt. Her is approach is from the point of view of community. We are all connected, nobody is an island. I know that I talk tough on this one quite often because of my strong Individualist Self Reliant ways. I have reflected deeper, she has brought me to see, that sense of Oneness is more than just Spiritual, it's also human.
Land Ownership that we believe in today, is a bit backwards from the Native American perspective. In today's world, we think "We" own the Land; yet it gives us everything that sustains us, food resources and personal space. Indians think of the Land as what gave Birth to them, they think of themselves as owned BY the land, because they are a part of the Land. In that sense, they view themselves as having a debt to the Land; in a similar way as how we can view our own Community, and small scale Sovereignty. This completely coincides with how we are all connected to each other.
In the current situation with Globalism, International Corporate Franchises and Central Banks, the local Sovereignty of our Communities is being undermined. Tereza's quote says it best:
"It's not just taking back our land and labor FOR us, it's taking it AWAY from them. That's my intent."
Thank you for bringing that conversation here, Nef. Yes, there are some very knowledgable comments on the YT thread including Marc Pelchat, who's read my book, Daniel Leidal, who watched it twice to delve deeper into the foreign-held debt, and shaqer on Israel's ability to leverage and magnify their global financial impact at the expense of the labor of the poor.
And you even included my response where I corrected two things! Or rather, gave my view of one and corrected the other little detail about my neighbor being the one to make it better than right for my car. I think he'd set up the ladder in the truck bed to get a higher reach, which might have contributed. But what really impressed me is that he never yelled at him for dropping the paint bucket. All he said to me, several times, is that he was so glad the guy hadn't fallen and gotten hurt. He was prepared to buy my car if the paint wouldn't come off. These things are just money, fixable, so instead of seeing the bad in what happened, he only saw the good in what didn't go wrong. My Latino neighbors are gems, I'm so glad to have them. And that when I had parties and asked if the music was too loud, they said, "No, crank it up another 2 or 3 notches!"
I was thinking this morning about our discussion on individual and community sovereignty. I think it's both/and not either/or--without community sovereignty, there is no real individual sovereignty. What we have as individuals is control of our own minds, the most important freedom to exercise. But without communities having the right to own their properties and labor, issuing the debt and credit to repay it, we're still slaves to the highest bidder. That's something that we can only escape, I think, as communities of communities, protecting each other. Always appreciate your good thoughts, Nef!
The dollar already is a CBDC. It's 94%, I think, digital only and moving towards no cash if they can get away with it. It's issued by the Fed, which is a cartel of central bankers with no gov't oversight. They just don't want the competition from the other global bankers. There's nothing that's going to protect us or our properties in their bill. IMO.
That may be a good thing; however, those "Bills" often have vast amounts of Legal Language in them. I would be Cautiously Optimistic only. You never know if the reason for "Stopping" CBDC's is so that they can make an "Exception" for creating them. One possibility: They may stipulate that the only way the CBDC's can be instituted is if it's combined with a National Digital ID and Vax Passport; then they would use that exception.
Thank you for your comments and enlightening me about Lincoln, I did not know the North seceded or that they seceded first.
I do not pretend to be knowledgeable about American history, but I was under the impression that Lincoln was seriously worried about loosing political power if too many southern states seceded and in effect be his opposition.
I have received this view from Doris Kearns Goodwin's book on Lincoln.
Well the North tried to secede over the slavery issue but didn't succeed. I'd say that Goodwin is probably correct if she saw Lincoln as worried about his own political power. But it was never about the US gov't wanting to end slavery with the southern states seceding in order to keep it. Without the Constitution or even the Revolutionary War, slavery would have ended decades sooner in the US.
Tereza, the problem with your discussion comparing your caret system with the actual system is that you're comparing apples with oranges. Your caret system is a closed and coherent financial system, while what currently passes for our financial/monetary system is less a financial system and more a control mechanism, a core tool used in implementation of the control-manipulate-harvest business model used to operate this planet. Having worked in financial services for decades, I walked away having reached the conclusion that the entire system was fake and fraudulent. I think the numbers are all made up as needed - they certainly don't add up - and the real role of regulators is to run cover for the criminals they're supposed to be regulating. It's all a giant scam.
That may be the nicest thing anyone has ever said about my system, Tirion. "Closed and coherent." Those words are music to my ears because they're precise, and mean even more with your background in financial services.
Somewhere in my book I say that there's an inverse relationship between the freedom of money and goods to cross borders and the freedom of people. If we had closed local economies that favored the longterm residents, I'm not certain we'd need to control the borders. People don't want to leave their families behind and go work for other people in order to send money back. It's our destruction of other economies that makes us need that castle wall and moat, to keep those who cross it enslaved.
And coherent! Everyone gets stuck on "How is this going to happen?" which is an impossible question to answer without a crystal ball--and who believes Cassandra even if she has good news? The real question is what would work logistically. And that's the conversation I'm trying to instigate. If the opportunity for system change presented itself before we knew what we wanted--and knew it would work--that chance would be wasted.
So really, what happens to the dollar and the national debt doesn't concern me. I want to protect our communities and make sure that looming disaster can't take our assets. Thank you so much, Tirion!
Cool, thank you, Tereza. No, we don't know "How is this going to happen?"; but we can probably be fairly sure that necessity will be the mother of invention. Much will be tried and most of it will probably fail/be wasted - at least the first time; but sooner or later some things will work and gain adoption.
You are of course right not to worry about the dollar or the national debt. They are both abstractions without which we can all do very well - indeed, they are at the core of the problem of humanity's enslavement rather than part of the solution. Dollars are the chains that keep us enslaved.
To protect our communities from the looming disaster is deeply problematic. If you've read/seen "The Great Taking," you understand why. To achieve protection, you have to get out of the system; and that is not easy. Gold/silver bullion under the bed and a pistol under the pillow is the best advice I can offer, and of course that's hardly ideal. Even unencumbered land and buildings are vulnerable to The Great Taking.
Talking of breathtaking fraud, watch Gary - Truth Sets us Free on YouTube: https://m.youtube.com/@Garytruthsetsusfree
(although they systematically remove his videos). This stretches out across the whole world and all links back to the usual suspects.
It needs exposing and shutting down so humanity can exit the debt slavery matrix and start a new era of freedom.
I'll be checking those out for sure, thanks.
Thanks for the link!
As I was reading this post, I was thinking again that all this is very confusing and that I don't really understand it, but then I read your comment and that reminded me that your conclusion was basically the same one I had come to, with a lot of help and a lot less experience.
What you pointed out in your first sentence is an important point. The challenge is that in some ways this is hard to see, because a lot of the language used is similar or the same. "Refinances", "credits", "backed by", "banks" are some of the words in the article that I think Tereza used to refer to her economic system, but that we also use for the current system.
It is really hard for me to get a grasp on the reality of the situation. When we talk about trillions of dollars it just seems so abstract.
Hi, josh. Thanks for reading this and sticking with it despite the resistance to the language and topic. I have a draft of an article called The Master's Tools, which we're told we can't use to dismantle the master's house. I think that sentiment has been used to disempower us--keeping the power tools for themselves while we're pulling out screws with our fingernails. It confuses means and ends.
The goals of my caret system are to increase home ownership, small local businesses and small local landlords, maximize local goods and services, minimize monopolies and outside ownership.
These are the opposite of their goal, which is for us to own nothing. Santa Cruz is well on its way to that, with over 50% renters and most of the owners aging out. I talked to a friend at dance who's newly married and they rent from a Google exec who lives in Silicon Valley. They'll never be able to buy, with the average mortgage over $1M. They're hoping to build on her mom's property, if the city and insurances don't thwart them.
If we avoid the financial instruments they use, because we hate their goal, they have all the power (tools). It's like having an aversion to spirituality because Catholicism was crammed down your throat. They win if we let them define God and money, and then either go along with it or reject it. I think we need to claim both for ourselves.
Thank you.
If you want to get a grasp on the reality of our current situation, watch and/or read "The Great Taking," by David Webb. It's chilling, but accurate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk3AVceraTI&t=15s&pp=ygUQdGhlIGdyZWF0IHRha2luZw%3D%3D
Tirion, "The Great Taking" shows an important part of the puzzle in comprehending the Economic System we are in. It's discussion is centered on "Trusts." In October of last year, I posted this:
https://nefahotep.substack.com/p/corporate-chains-of-custody-illustrate
In this post I also reference most of my source info on how the Trust System is really at the core of Monetary Policies, Government Policies, Corporate Control of Equities, Land Ownership, how the Corporate Government is ruling from behind a curtain, while most people are fooled into accepting the Government as a Republic. There are many dimensions to this. In this post, I referenced another substack; that corroborates the items in my post: https://badlands.substack.com/p/its-all-about-trust-law by American Hypnotist.
There is a commenter in American Hypnotist's post that everyone should read. He goes by "Bitter Root Services" I think the comment approximately half way down, he describes "why" the whole Globalist, Centralized System seems to keep going and why the Power to "control" something is seemingly more attractive than "owning" something. Trust are like Russian nesting dolls. Trust can exist inside of Trusts, inside of Trust, inside of.... well you get the idea.
In my post, Corporate Chains of Custody there is a diagram of approximately how this looks, a picture is worth a thousand words.
And after I actually went to that comment section, I found that Tereza and Bitter Root had a most wonderful exchange; important and informative enough that I'm printing it out; I wish I had gone to check it out before. Here is a direct link to the comment section, if you would like to check it out; I hope you will. ;-)
https://badlands.substack.com/p/its-all-about-trust-law/comments?publication_id=1135129&post_id=137372598&isFreemail=true&comments=true
I wondered that you were liking that now, Nef. I just posted a note on Kevin Barrett's interview of Richard Gage, who's looking at common techniques between 911 and Oct 7th. I haven't listened yet but here's my note, which seems relevant to this discussion:
"I'm eager to listen to this. I interviewed Richard 15 yrs ago on my radio show, Third Paradigm, in the basement of a pirate station, Free Radio Santa Cruz. Someone had wanted me to do it, even though I wasn't interested in 911. But in preparation, I watched his videos and read his articles, then showed them to my daughters, and none of us have ever been the same.
"On my stack, we've been analyzing the same tactics going back 4000 years and looking for the powers behind the thrones. The technique might be termed 'conquest by infiltration rather than invasion.' My book, How to Dismantle an Empire, traces back the coinage of money and taxation as a key mechanism of control. Another important element is the theocracy, giving divinity to the right to rule and producing scriptures of a sociopathic god, as Guyenot describes him.
"Richard is adding the third element of terrorism and violence. Pepe outlined this recently in his article on Russia and China taking off the gloves in dealing with the Hegemon. These techniques may go back to the Hyksos infiltrating ancient Egypt, and the Habiru (Hebrew) led by the mercenary warlord Abdi-Ashirta, whose name may be Abram in the Torah.
"I'll certainly be adding this to a future episode on the topic. The most recent in this vein is: thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-psycho…. Thanks much, Kevin!"
https://kevinbarrett.substack.com/p/richard-gage-aia-on-911-october-7
The only reason it took so long to "like" those comments is because it doesn't do email relay, if it's not in a direct response. I know you had mentioned there was an exchange with Bitter Root, either in our emails to each other or to another comment thread. But, as you know when too many things are going on, one thing leads to another; I forget to go back older threads. It's all good though, I'm printing it out so I never lose it. ;-)
http://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-psycho%E2%80%A6 when I click this it says: "page not found" at the top of your lists of posts. The other post are there, but not that one. Might be a broken link?
I found the complete one from the Kevin Barrett article:
https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-psychology-of-semitism
---- sorry about that ;-)
Thanks for checking that, Nef.
Great comment, Nefahotep. Thank you. Yes, forming and operating trusts was something I used to spend a lot of time doing.
I would like to learn as much as I can about how these arrangements work. Especially the Common Law Trusts. Like what Bitter Root was discussing.
I learned what I know on the job, in the 1980s. Trusts are a highly-complex area of law which attracts some of the highest-paid lawyers and accountants in the country. I have probably forgotten most of what I knew. The "Shire Herald" 'Stack writes about trusts occasionally.
Tereza, I just finished your book, which is my new favorite! Your analysis of the system and path to a solution are both brilliant, which is a very rare accomplishment. If Wendell Berry’s is the “thing with feathers” your vision to me is “the thing with feet” (and feathers!)
Thanks for all your work, looking forward to the next!
Charles, what an extraordinary compliment! Haha, I love thinking of my plan as the thing with feet and feathers! Yes, I first intended to just write about the path to a solution in a book called A 2020 Vision: the Economics of Community. At that time, it was 2012, so I was able to get the domain name a2020vision.org. But I realized that people didn't understand how the system worked in order to see why we needed change at the system level. They still thought they could tweak it, tax the rich, generate some local currencies, and everything would be fine. So that's why I focused on analyzing the system in this book, and only laying out the path to the solution in the last section.
And I love how you phrase that 'the path towards ...' It makes it clear it's not someone else fixing it for you. It's showing what seems to be the straightest, easiest and most pleasurable path, to my mind. I appreciate the encouragement for a next book!
your flowers are beautiful!
makes sense a more local system.
That is such a compliment coming from the master gardener! I can't really take credit. I'm not even sure what the one behind me is called, or where it came from. I think it sneaked under the fence from my neighbor's yard (the Bonny Doon winery owner, not the taquerias--they use all of their yard for parties, in which they put us to shame, all of the men singing until the wee hours ;-)
And yes! What my plan does is combine public banking and issuing the debt with MMT and issuing the credit to repay the debt with local currencies and controlling the exchange rate and taxation of that credit. You need all three.
the beautiful purple flower behind you is foxglove (digitalis medicinal herb), it also comes in a range of colors like peachy pink😻
Oh right! I knew that somewhere in the recesses of my brain. Isn't it magnificent? I've been hanging out with it since my chair's already set up and it needs some appreciation.
Will parts of Oregon really secede to join Idaho?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/oregon-idaho-counties-secede-b2203263.html
Oregon sees 13th county vote to secede, join Idaho as ‘Greater Idaho’ gains steam
General News
Posted on AllSides May 23rd, 2024.
https://www.allsides.com/news/2024-05-23-1815/general-news-oregon-sees-13th-county-vote-secede-join-idaho-greater-idaho-gains
The right of secession is like the right of divorce--if union is forced, someone's getting raped.
I write a lot about secession in my book, citing the Vermont secessionist movement from their cleverly named anthology, Most Likely to Secede. It protects all other rights.
What my system does is create a supplemental economy that allows for economic secession after an alternative has been built up. If they secede from the government and not the Federal Reserve banking system, they're just as captive as before. But they do have South Dakota nearby to provide that public banking example so maybe they'll figure it out. Thanks for sharing this, David.
My first thought when I read this was, this action was the trigger for the American Civil War.
I hope history does not repeat it's self again, but if this continues it would make it much more difficult for The Deep State to impose their will on American ppoplus.
After I read the articles, I realized they're counties trying to secede from blue Oregon and join red Idaho. My hometown in Maryland has tried to do the same, since they're a thin line between W Va, with whom they have much more in common, and PA but a long ways from Baltimore and Annapolis.
I write about the Civil War in my book and how we've been lied to about it. The North tried to secede first, as a way of ending slavery by not forcing extradition back to the South for runaways. Lincoln promised Virginia she could keep her slaves if she didn't secede. It was really the Northern capitalists who wanted the cheap free labor in their factories from 'freed' slaves with no means of employment, and to destroy the plantation system that didn't let them get in the middle. It's just like saying, in retrospect, that WWII was fought to free the Jews when all the history of the time shows it was to destroy Germany.
On the YouTube video, there are some very important points that are made. Inquiries into the manner in which our National Debt is owned by Foreign countries. The whole discussion is really worth checking out. I'll offer my quotes here:
"The economic system based off debt needs to change. The painting contractor, who went out of his way to fix and restore your car, shows us all that there's true treasure all around us and that's each of us. Our own human capital works wonders when we are determined to help each other."
Tereza's response:
"Actually, though, debt isn't bad--it really is an asset like Stephanie says. We're born into houses built by others, fed and taught by others, with infrastructure that brings us power and water from others. We do owe them a debt, and to the next generation. As a means of exchange and reciprocity, that debt could become a beautiful thing.
And it was my neighbor, but certainly the same principle. He had a young guy from the restaurant doing the painting, who wasn't as steady on that ladder as a contractor would have been. But it's all good! And yes, I feel surrounded by treasure in human capital!"
I do see her point about debt. Her is approach is from the point of view of community. We are all connected, nobody is an island. I know that I talk tough on this one quite often because of my strong Individualist Self Reliant ways. I have reflected deeper, she has brought me to see, that sense of Oneness is more than just Spiritual, it's also human.
Land Ownership that we believe in today, is a bit backwards from the Native American perspective. In today's world, we think "We" own the Land; yet it gives us everything that sustains us, food resources and personal space. Indians think of the Land as what gave Birth to them, they think of themselves as owned BY the land, because they are a part of the Land. In that sense, they view themselves as having a debt to the Land; in a similar way as how we can view our own Community, and small scale Sovereignty. This completely coincides with how we are all connected to each other.
In the current situation with Globalism, International Corporate Franchises and Central Banks, the local Sovereignty of our Communities is being undermined. Tereza's quote says it best:
"It's not just taking back our land and labor FOR us, it's taking it AWAY from them. That's my intent."
----- I am with you, Tereza.
Thank you for bringing that conversation here, Nef. Yes, there are some very knowledgable comments on the YT thread including Marc Pelchat, who's read my book, Daniel Leidal, who watched it twice to delve deeper into the foreign-held debt, and shaqer on Israel's ability to leverage and magnify their global financial impact at the expense of the labor of the poor.
And you even included my response where I corrected two things! Or rather, gave my view of one and corrected the other little detail about my neighbor being the one to make it better than right for my car. I think he'd set up the ladder in the truck bed to get a higher reach, which might have contributed. But what really impressed me is that he never yelled at him for dropping the paint bucket. All he said to me, several times, is that he was so glad the guy hadn't fallen and gotten hurt. He was prepared to buy my car if the paint wouldn't come off. These things are just money, fixable, so instead of seeing the bad in what happened, he only saw the good in what didn't go wrong. My Latino neighbors are gems, I'm so glad to have them. And that when I had parties and asked if the music was too loud, they said, "No, crank it up another 2 or 3 notches!"
I was thinking this morning about our discussion on individual and community sovereignty. I think it's both/and not either/or--without community sovereignty, there is no real individual sovereignty. What we have as individuals is control of our own minds, the most important freedom to exercise. But without communities having the right to own their properties and labor, issuing the debt and credit to repay it, we're still slaves to the highest bidder. That's something that we can only escape, I think, as communities of communities, protecting each other. Always appreciate your good thoughts, Nef!
Have you seen congress has passed a bill to stop CBDCs, and what do you think of this event.
The dollar already is a CBDC. It's 94%, I think, digital only and moving towards no cash if they can get away with it. It's issued by the Fed, which is a cartel of central bankers with no gov't oversight. They just don't want the competition from the other global bankers. There's nothing that's going to protect us or our properties in their bill. IMO.
That may be a good thing; however, those "Bills" often have vast amounts of Legal Language in them. I would be Cautiously Optimistic only. You never know if the reason for "Stopping" CBDC's is so that they can make an "Exception" for creating them. One possibility: They may stipulate that the only way the CBDC's can be instituted is if it's combined with a National Digital ID and Vax Passport; then they would use that exception.
Thank you for your comments and enlightening me about Lincoln, I did not know the North seceded or that they seceded first.
I do not pretend to be knowledgeable about American history, but I was under the impression that Lincoln was seriously worried about loosing political power if too many southern states seceded and in effect be his opposition.
I have received this view from Doris Kearns Goodwin's book on Lincoln.
Well the North tried to secede over the slavery issue but didn't succeed. I'd say that Goodwin is probably correct if she saw Lincoln as worried about his own political power. But it was never about the US gov't wanting to end slavery with the southern states seceding in order to keep it. Without the Constitution or even the Revolutionary War, slavery would have ended decades sooner in the US.
Whole heartily agree. The Civil War was never about Slavery; that was a Psyop.
Leave a door open to the best that might happen... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv6fdib3GBI
Do you have a view on the two states seceding from USA ?
No I hadn't heard that. Texas? Who else?