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Visceral Adventure's avatar

How interesting. I didn’t even know he was dead. I only came across him because of that video in my stack and now it’s almost midnight and you’re sending me down this rabbit hole?!?

So Nika is putting out a new book with his quotes, according to IG, bit also, another interesting tidbit is that there was another book she co-authored with David (posthumously) that was printed by non other than that good ol’ dark intelligence hub known as MIT. All of this seems just a little suspect. I don’t have the bandwidth to dig further at the moment but I am so glad Crow and company are doing it.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Oh Tobin is right! We just needed to open that Pandora's box and all the mischievous furies fly out. Those are a couple of tasty tidbits, alright.

I sent your post to the Signal chat group--which is much, much more chatty than our Apocaloptomist group. Within an hour of knowing Crow, he'd invited me to his wedding in Cheran--the boys in the chat didn't know he was engaged. With our women's group, that would have been the first order of business ... Graeber, not so much ;-)

In any case, I was trying to put that Xwitter of Graeber into a new post crediting you, but I can't get it to embed. What's the trick?

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

Remember when Elon had that beef with Substack and broke the link between the two apps? The only way I’ve gotten around it is to take a photo of the post, then link the photo itself to the tweet. I still don’t know what the equivalent of that is the other way around. My Substack links on twitter as just gibberish so very undesirable for clicking.

So…you going to the wedding?

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Oh, I think I can use that trick. It was already moving the photo when I tried to drag the video. A very different musk rat than my crush, Kandioronk!

That's so funny that you didn't know Graeber when you embedded that clip. That's the universe telling you you're on the right track, according to Mees Baaijen. He and I exchanged pdf copies of our books and his intro talks about the synchronicities that give you the answers to a question you'd barely formulated. I've said the question is like holding out my hand and the answer drops into it like over ripe fruit.

On the wedding, I'm thinking about it. I've been back in touch with the French woman who took those photos from Cheran, our fellow woo-woo woman. And Patzcuaro is where I've gotten the best massage I've ever had from Ulysses, who is also a traditional Purepecha dancer and medicine man. I swear that he levitates over the massage table! So it's tempting!

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

Don’t knew how you find time to live life so fully, but I’m here for it! And if you end up going, I hope you share some photos!

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PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

Some time ago I read a long article about how suspicious that was. Or it was a video. It is something that Housatonic might have commented on. It's the kind of thing. But not sure where I read or saw it. Does anyone remember that?

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Oh interesting! I didn't know that Graeber was on Mark's radar but you're right, it is up his alley to investigate.

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PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

Actually I searched afterwards (but only by browser so far), but couldn't find it. I also couldn't find the exact article I had read earlier, I think more than a year ago, maybe directly when it happened, where suspicions were expressed.

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PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

It was this one, from December 2023. https://nevermoremedia.substack.com/p/how-did-david-graeber-die

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NEVERMORE MEDIA's avatar

Do you know of anyone else who has seriously looked into things? I've only become more convinced with time...

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NEVERMORE MEDIA's avatar

Under most circumstances, it's pretty hard to author a book posthumously! But Nika does seem pretty witchy, maybe she's able to channel his spirit or something.

I kid, I kid, but the book you are referring to (Cities Made Differently) was not written by David Graeber. His name is being used to sell a book which was actually written by his wife.

That MIT Press apparently sees no problem with this ought to tell you something about them...

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Glen Andersen's avatar

Weird, I’d never heard of Necrotizing Pancreatitis, but in the last 10 minutes I have read about in in two separate substacks. Yours was one. The other was about a UK doctor who noticed it’s increasing regularity among vaxxed COVID patients.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

I can't tell you how many times that happens to me. It is weird but sure doesn't seem random.

On my YT, Gan wondered if it could have been the jab. I answered, (which was deleted by YT, darn!) that it seems like Sept 2 was too soon for that, and that he and Nika both had symptoms back in March. I wonder, though, whether they could have gotten an early vax in the UK. It doesn't seem like they started vaccinating, though, until Jan 2021. Nika seems paranoid enough to have gotten David vaxxed at the earliest possible date.

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NEVERMORE MEDIA's avatar

I think that Nika would have mentioned him getting vaxxed if he had been...

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PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

Which one was that, because I read about that, too but couldn't retrieve it right now.

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Tobin Owl's avatar

I appeciate your balsnced analysis, Tereza, and especially your pointing out that Graeber, even if he may have identified as an anarchist (I'm only assuming from what Crow has said), he does not talk or philosophize like one.

One might note however--again I am relying on what Crow has written--that Graeber allegedly said Bullshit Jobs was his "sellout" book, and this appears to be related to his promoting UBI. So maybe that wasn't a true representation of his thinking.

But still, yes--and I'm with you on this--the idea that technology is going to somehow make everything better is bunk. So I appreciate your overall analysis, which I feel gives a more balanced perspective on Graeber, not that I really know because I haven't even read all of Debt, let alone his other books.

On your ideas of how he might have died, I have my doubts about the snake venom thing and also about parasites. I recommend watching this webinar with Daniel Roytas on parasites:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vLOTqx5capw7/

I don't know if you saw, but I suggested on the Signal chat that there could be even a possibility of poisoning from household poisons--particularly phosphate pesticides which have been banned in London, although they might still be around, but have not are still in use in Italy.

Ultimately, I don't think we have enough to go on to come to any clear conclusions on any of it, and I agree that the more important task is to see in what ways we can free ourselves from the corrupt money system.

Did you look into the Universal Community Trust at all? I'm curious what you think of it and if it has similarities to your own proposals.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Hello, Tobin! Glad you swooped in. And yes, I will stop the bad puns now ;-)

If you have a chance, take a gander (okay, I lied) at the Noam episode. Although I think Noam was captured and maybe always complicit, based on his 'loan' from Epstein, and I think David was principled to a fault, there's a similarity in their view of anarchy.

Here's the question that determines whether someone is a socialist or anarchist, to me: Is it the job of government to take care of people or to enable communities (families, neighborhoods & on up) to take care of themselves? The principle of federalism, lower-case, seems like another way of talking about a system of anarchy.

None of this changes my deep love and affection for David. He's still one of the clearest thinkers I've ever found. I'll repost this on a different episode, but Tonika of Visceral Adventures posted https://visceraladventure.substack.com/p/a-pox-on-both-your-political-houses where she uses David's brilliant 3-min analysis of political division: https://x.com/ofsymbols/status/1809229978501849554.

So I don't blame David for promoting UBI, he just hadn't read my book and realized there was a better way ;-) Could you post the link to the Universal Community Trust here? I don't let my phone and computer talk to each other because they're way too chatty. So I can't read documents or articles from links on Signal.

Did you refer me to Mees, Tobin? I think you saw that we're in communication and have exchanged pdfs of our books. So thank you for that! We have many synchronicities, even on the topic of synchronicities.

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Tobin Owl's avatar

I've mentioned Mees on Signal and Crow has linked couple of his articles and even reposted the one on China. Glad to see the two of you connected.

I'm in communication with Mees and will be posting some of his articles soon.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Yes it was from the Signal chat that I got his name and looked him up on Substack. I'll look forward to your articles!

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

As a housewife with a global economic plan, I don't dismiss O'Bernicia's credentials as a stand-up comic to design a global legal framework, but I question the logistics. Articles 2 & 3:

"The right to hold, use and enjoy any and all property in our peaceful possession, without having to pay for the use or enjoyment of it.

"The rights to a parcel of permanent land in the region of our birth, including water, mineral and air use, to live upon and within, for the purposes of making a home, raising children, growing food and self-realisation, which shall be held, free and clear, in perpetual private trust for the benefit of the next generation. [Such rights may be exchanged for similar rights to land in other parts of the Earth, in accordance with the agreement of the parties.]"

How does that work exactly? Do you first get a mortgage, then dispute that you need to pay it? Do you pay off your mortgage, and dispute that you need to pay property taxes? Or do you find an empty house and squat in it, claiming it for your future generations unless they trade it for one of equal value with someone who also agrees never to sell it?

I've given a lot of thought to how to protect property for the next generation, and it's not easy. Within the next 10 yrs, I'll probably do an Irrevocable Trust so that the family home can't be appropriated to pay medical costs or legal settlements. If an inheritance, the property taxes would go higher than the mortgage I paid on it. Then there are divorce laws that could cause it to be lost if it becomes common property between a daughter and her spouse. So many minefields!

But the riskiest thing I could do, I think, is put it in this UCT. What my plan does is make the community the default owner of all the properties and infrastructure within its borders, so they issue the mortgages and the credit on a monthly basis distributed equally to repay the collective mortgages. In effect, it recognizes the rights in Articles 2 and 3 but puts it in place as a community, not individuals. I think anarchy is community self-governance, so the only way I think it can work is at that scale. That's my opinion.

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Tobin Owl's avatar

So I see you are thinking about trusts too. I don't know if you saw that the UCT set up has three levels of trusts: family trusts, Sovereign Community Trusts and UCT. I don't really understand how they all work together, so I can't answer your questions, but I was just noting a similarity perhaps in strategy.

Obermicio actually has a large body of work. He has his own website (which is older than UCT) that goes into great detail on such things as the history of common law in England and many other things.

I looked at the UCT join form out of curiosity and didn't like it, so its not like I am recomending UCT as a solution. But some of their ideas and legal processes may be useful, especially for anyone facing foreclosure on their property. Seems to me Obermicio is an expert in that arena.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Yes foreclosure is a perfect application to challenge that law. Ellen Brown cites that, in the early days of the mortgage, it was challenged because in order for a contract to be valid, both sides need to put something in. The banks, having created the money out of nothing, had put nothing of value into the deal. The court ruled that the petitioner was right but that to recognize it would upend everything. So he backed the banks.

There are two reasons to do a trust--one, to make sure your wishes are followed after your death when you can't enforce them, and two, to keep gov't and corporations from taking your property. It's hard to tell how circumstances will change and what will make sense for my daughters. They know that I'd like the property to stay in the family, and they're very cooperative and close to one another. I think they'd do their best. But Santa Cruz may not be where they want to raise their kids, at the rate things are going. So I'd rather have them honor the spirit rather than be tied to the letter of a law that might not make sense.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

I'll answer Howard here to catch you and Tobin. I wonder if, by 'sellout' David means it sold out in copies after publication. It would certainly not be favorable to gov't and corporations but the title has immediate relatability and it's short! Definitely an advantage in selling books.

My ex was/ is a case in point of this. We met at a small company that was swallowed after I left by a big one. He finally got his dream job to go back to a small company at a director level, only to be swallowed soon after by a bigger one that was then gobbled up by IBM. Because of his level at the small company, he was transferred into a bureaucratic parity level at IBM, but with no one reporting to him and no one knowing what he did--including him!

For years, he had a salary he couldn't walk away from but was miserable and lived in fear of someone calling him out. And the sales world is built on humiliation rituals. An occasional project would be thrown his way and he'd be thrilled, but depressed when it was over. When he was finally laid off, I think it was a relief.

He now does a different kind of bullshit job that's putting together 100 pp bids for contracts that may not even be open, but just something throw out to fulfill a gov't requirement. It's 50+ hrs/ week of detailed, repetitive, grueling work where one mistake could lose all the profit on the project, it could all be for naught but you don't dare shirk it. But I think he's actually happier than when he had almost nothing to do.

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NEVERMORE MEDIA's avatar

The context of David reportedly referring to Bullshit Jobs as his "sellout book" was this obituary written by the author Erica Lagalisse, Graeber's ex-girlfiend: https://nevermoremedia.substack.com/p/david-graeber-died-4-years-ago-today?utm_source=publication-search

She reports that he called it his sellout book. I have no reason to suspect her of lying, but the missing context makes it difficult to interpret.

Personally I think Bullshit Jobs is 95% a terrific book, but right at the very end there is a bizarre endorsement of UBI which seems slapped on and sort of reads like it was partly meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I encourage you check it for yourself, if you haven't already.

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Howard's avatar

Interesting about Graeber's own comment on "Bullshit Jobs." That's the only work of his I read even parts of and I immediately took a liking to it.

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NEVERMORE MEDIA's avatar

see above comment.

IMO, Bullshit Jobs is still a great book.

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Mary Poindexter McLaughlin's avatar

I'm feeling woefully uneducated. Had never heard of Graeber; I gots some learnin' to do! Thanks for continuing to round out my edumacation, Tereza!

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Edumacation, ha! I think you'll like the one on When Mothers Ran the World. It makes so much sense that it's the natural order of things when families surviving and thriving is the objective. And for pure pleasure, you should read about my crush, Kandioronk. And I'm sure you'll enjoy the one on Sex & Power, since I squash some nonsense on why men are evolutionarily driven to 'mate' with women half their age.

The question of how to raise children securely, as a society not just individuals, has been my primary focus. The What is Politics? series gave some important hints when looking at patrilocal and matrilocal, and seasonal changes. In the winter, when game was scarce, families spread out into far-flung homes where males ruled. In the summer, they gathered into longhouses where women, who engaged in agriculture and cooking, ruled the roost. Community favored women and gave them choices, isolation favored men.

Housing, I think, has become overly precious based on the competition for debt induced by bankers. It gives men, who control the money, way too much power. And forces women into that masculine role of working for money. That's my epiphany de jour!

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Mary Poindexter McLaughlin's avatar

Damn, that's quite the synopsis! I'm so intrigued...

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Infanttyron3's avatar

Would Belafonte's Jamaican roots have led him far enough astray to promote ...you know, the thing... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05puYVHD7WA

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Haha, haven't heard that song in ages. But maybe Nika, for all her seeming gullibility, is really cunning as a ... buzzard?

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NEVERMORE MEDIA's avatar

Something non-human, anyway!

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NEVERMORE MEDIA's avatar

Could you post a link to this picture: "Although they’d been married only a year, she posted a picture of her son as a toddler on his 18th birthday, saying that was around when she’d met David."

According to my sources, David and her had known each other for considerably less than 10 years when he died.

I know that their relationship began online - they were pen pals long before they met. So apparently she was a fan of his work, which is puzzling because various people have commented on her not seeming particularly familiar with his work.

According to New York Magazine:

"Dubrovsky and Graeber were friends and correspondents for years before they got together. The emails he sent were so extensive that she was sure at first she was “his major pen pal.” Soon she came to see that in fact he managed to send a great many people such long and thoughtful emails. (She later realized that he slept roughly five hours a night.)"

source: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/11/david-graeber-dawn-of-everything.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com

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Starting 2021 and up to the present moment, there are plenty of medical journal articles describing, first, necrotizing pancreatitis following COVID infection, then, following COVID treatment (remdesivir), then, as early as 2022, following COVID vaccine injection. If he died in 2020, there were no injections. So, either the pharmacological treatment of his reportedly bad infection, or the other possibilty. As publication of articles can take some months, it might already have been more or less common knowledge at that point in time in 2021 that COVID infection can cause necrotizing pancreatitis. Especially in particularly well- informed circles. So that stressing the gravity of infection, lends increased plausibility / credibility to whatever.

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Tobin Owl's avatar

I'm curious how you (or the journals you cite) are defining "COVID infection"? Is it based on a test? on symptoms? If based on the former, what is the test based on? If the latter, what is the symptom picture distinctive of "COVID"? If necrotizing pancreatitis is part of the new symptom picture, how was that symptom picture determined?

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Ah, I see what PO is saying now, not that necrotizing pancreatitis is actually caused by 'Covid infection' but that there was a lot of necrotizing pancreatitis going on after whatever they were diagnosing and treating as Covid. From what I've read about remdesivir, that would be entirely in line with its side effects. Nika doesn't mention David ever being hospitalized but she sure seems trigger happy on docs and treatments--including SEVERAL root canals for a soapy taste in his mouth. WTF?

I wonder what medications he was given by those State-system docs?

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Tobin Owl's avatar

Yeah, those root canals are definitely worth noting. They definitely would have put him under with anesthesia and who knows what that could have done along with whatever else.

All medications are liver poisons (ever heard of liver problems associated with "COVID") so it wouldn't be surprising if they also affect the pancreas.

I tend to see both David and Nika as conventional leftists, and most conventional leftists I know are heavily into the alopathic medicine system.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

Good way to say it, conventional leftists. Agreed in some ways, which is surprising since, in others, Graeber is one of the most original thinkers I've ever found.

My ex-brother in law died of pancreatic cancer after the jabs. It was why I started researching turbo cancers here, since this was still early on: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-cancer-covax-connexion. I've heard of many other pancreatic cancers since. This is what I wrote after he died: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-detritus-of-a-life.

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NEVERMORE MEDIA's avatar

Yeah, that's a pretty bizarre solution for a symptom which is more commonly associated with poisoning!

I've never heard of a rotten tooth causing a soapy taste! Just pain! Lots and lots of pain.

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I wrote so much in reply just now. Really a lot. But like another time recently, suddenly substack reloads the page and it's all gone. Strange. In any case, these are all questions which we all know are spot on, but, the published literature talking about COVID usually fully endorses everything hook line sinker, it is just a paradigm that they are operating in. And my focus was on how that paradigm is being used for all sorts of things. It exists, it can be and is pointed to all the time, and indeed select individuals must be involved in creating or positing certain syndromes that can then be pointed to as well in a self referential self reinforcing and seemingly self fulfilling way.

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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

I'm so sorry to hear about you losing your comment, PO. Here's my experience--when certain comments are liked, it will periodically reshuffle them in the order of most liked first. This means my comment will suddenly disappear. But if I scroll up and down, I can find it still intact in another place.

I know that doesn't help for now, and maybe your experience is different, but check it out next time and see if that might be happening. Sorry again.

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PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

If certain influential people die of necrotizing pancreatitis and it is stated by persons and by publications that this is a typical outcome relating to COVID, then all one can say is that that is noteworthy.

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Tobin Owl's avatar

Ahh... I see you are a real thinker. Kudos!

Sorry about your comment getting lost. Are you using the Substack app? I use the android app and its terrible. Really! It likes to reset whenever I take a break or switch to another app. A lot of other buggy behavior. Not sure why they can't make it better. Using the browser version solves a lot of those problems.

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NEVERMORE MEDIA's avatar

Could you link to those journal articles?

Personally, I don't believe that there ever was a novel respiratory illness ("COVID-19") or that it was caused by a SARS-CoV-2 virus.

But I'm willing to examine the evidence.

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