Second, I don't have a sense of spatial awareness and I don't care what clothes I have on, or even if I have clothes on. I mean, if it's cold I might get a jacket or something. My clothing algorithm states to keep adding layers on until the sensor of cold is within the acceptable range.
My wardrobe: sport, cotton, black, white t-shirts and trousers. I have one fancy linen shirt for the summer, beige, never gets detergent. And I make a point to never use fabric softener. I also have a suit for funerals. I proudly wear sandals with socks. And I don't care about other people's field of vision because I avoid being in groups. I'm perfect!
Third, Tereza, I need to explain one concept of economics to you. No, really, I NEED to. But I won't today, because I am practicing being mysterious.
Fourth, I think toxic masculinity is a prejudiced concept and creates hatred and division among people, and I like all of that.
Fifth, I think women should [REDACTED].
Sixth, we need to stop saying we. Also, brushing teeth is unnatural an a conspiracy theory.
Just chew better and the connective tissue of your victims will clean and polish the enamel naturally. (Am I exaggerating too much?)
Tereza, I totally get it! Totally get it.....a woman clinical psychologist, and I have come across this much... and yes, he was doing exactly what you were talking about. I also find it interesting that there are not more woman in leadership roles in creating better communities of the future.
Very interesting. I bet these people are irritated with your brilliant approach to their reasoning (or lack thereof) By the way, you get honorable mentions by Mathew Crawford in his latest episode on Rumble (60 minutes into the video)
Woah, T, he didn't just do a shout-out, he wants to interview me! And he wants to talk about decentralization, which I'm so excited about. I love that someone with his economic background is interested in that. So I am greatly appreciative that you led me to this and that I watched the whole thing, which had so much great info on game theory and trust, and Scientology and all those shadowy figures surrounding Malone.
It’s toxic masculinity ie Patriarchy all the way down. Including employing patriarchal women to do their battles for them - LMAO, pathetic. ie The very gaslit/brainwashed splaining to us all these beta boys lament is now being thrown at us by the managerial class/woke left via Operation CV1984.
Patriarchal Domination from the “left” or “right” is still DOMINATION.
They need to move along/wake up/grow up/get self aware/heal their childhood-Patri trauma.
If they spent 1/100 of the time working on their own Patriarchal traumas as they do on Splaining them away/projecting them on to EVE-IL WOMAN we could get somewhere. But No!
You have the patience of a saint my Gram would say ;-)
I’m so over this Neo-Bible/OT version of reality/male-female social order…
Keep it up the GREAT WORK. Your Resist-ance to Parasitism is Inspire-ing and…. Humanizing :-)
. Let me use a word that I like when referring to men. I love a gentleman who is loving, gentle with the weaker, chivalrous and protective when necessary. These bros didn’t act like gentleman towards you Tereza, they failed to credit and cite your term. They don’t have to agree with your definition but they did steal the term, just as jay admitted when he stole it, but never thereafter. It’s plagiarism, plain and simple. And for men who want to be manly, very ungentlemanly!
Laura! What a delight that you've followed this disagreement to its roots, even 'liking' my original comments on Charles E. in response to Gavin. It gave me a chance to read all of them again and save the ones encouraging Gavin to write a post on 'probiotic manliness'. I'm going to keep urging him to do that, now that the hubbub has died down.
Your description of a gentleman brings tears to my eyes. It's something that I don't recognize how much I miss because it feels so distant. Men, like women, have been put into these positions that aren't true to their nature. I'm hopeful that something healing comes out of this rift. I appreciate your careful attention to reading both sides and nuanced view.
Thank you Tereza. You deserved better from these men who say they are gentlemen but some treated you in a classic mysogynistic way. True men really love women and recognise how precious we are. True gentlewomen also love men. My husband for example is a good man but not always a gentleman and he also loves to steal ideas from me and then Will sometimes fully believe that he invented the ideas. This is why your battle so resonated with me. Thank you for your kind words 💜
Hiya Tereza, I love how you say you're still changing your mind about everything. It's very refreshing, makes me feel it's worthwhile reading and conversing with you. I also love that you're one of the few substackers who actually reply to comments.
I am very confused, I thought that you'd established that Robert Malone was a snake in the grass and a promoter of Big Pharma who will subvert the MFM (which I think he is and will)? Now he is a non-deluded journalist? Is it that he's non deluded on this issue. They are all deluded (as we all are) on somethings, Taibbi thinks the good of people still, had the jabs though is now thankfully questioning, Brand is on point on most things (and very funny live!) but still deluded about virus existence and pushes lab leak hoax. I like Aaron Mate very much too, I don't follow the others.
Are they all men cos it's about masculinity? I would add Caitlin Johnstone as relatively non-deluded, and Celia Farber.
Haha, I see you caught me in another thing where I've changed my mind. That video was from when I was a big fan of Malone. I thought about taking the reference to him out of the description but that didn't feel honest. And I also have this episode that's all about changing your mind: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/when-did-you-stop-being-wrong.
I don't need to completely agree with anyone as long as I feel they're being honest--with me, maybe not always with themselves. Even Aaron Mate, who I love, I disagreed with that Russia had not done everything they could to avoid the conflict. I write about that in this one: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/putin-peace-petrodollar-pain.
I also love Caitlin but have had some exchanges that, I felt, didn't show her best self. I wonder if she regrets not being more supportive of protests against the lockdown in Melbourne now that she's wanting Australians to bond against being a US proxy and nuclear staging ground. I write about our exchange here: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/caitlin-johnstone-and-free-speech exceptions.
And I think Celia's work on the AIDS hoax as a test run for the scamdemic is brilliant. I think I've cited it somewhere but I might not have gotten to it yet. I didn't agree with her position on woke Satanism and sexual morality being the cause of our current crisis, which I mention in this: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-devil-and-naomi-wolf.
Every man has experienced the toxic feminine., and not just from women. It is that energy that carefully notices all that you are and do, zeroes in on what you do best and finds some way to turn it into something evil or dirty. The whole woke ideology is the toxic feminine at its most corrosive. Like, math, physics, music theory, economics, democracy, liberty - all products of toxic western civilization patriarchy (because we can't understand it).
You see a pretty gal with nice booty and wink. HORRORS! You dirty misogynist beast!
In contrast, the positive feminine ( not totally confined to women) notices the same thing and finds a way to gently affirm it because it knows that men are most critical of themselves and that a good word goes a long way to ease the self-imposed burden of their male egos. A man will do anything for a women like that when she comes into his life.
Why do I feel like laughing at this, Tereza? Is that a toxic man, thing? Is saying 'man' politically incorrect, self identifying with unconscious confirmation of woke gender signalling bias, or something?
In a small synchronicity, while writing a kind of 'advanced' intro to freedom movement counter ops for my next essay, a 'random' spotify picked song came into my ears. The lyrics really caught my ears, tonight.
That is actually a bit unusual for me when I'm writing. I am able to turn out conscious awareness of background music, an old practice from living in a small house with 3 sisters a mother and an absent father when music was the balm that saved me from complete estrogen madness. And now estrogen is the toxic masculinity panacea! OMG! Or, to virtual signal my non-masculine awareness, OMGess! That song really wanted me to share it here. See below.
And for some reason your foray into the 'tonic'(???) feminine brought to mind that the author likely hasn't read the important and amazing book *The Great Mother: An Analysis of the Archetype* by Erich Neumann. (Yup, a male writer, which has had me cancelled by someone once. Hmmmm.) https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1282241.The_Great_Mother
This is a very important book, unless toxic masculinity writing about the feminine energy as highly ambivalent is some kind of patriarchal evil, of course.
Anyway, here is the song that 'popped' up: 'Havoc in Heaven' by Jesca Hoop.
Hello, Guy! Beautiful song, I love the Middle Eastern overtones and the dark mythology to the lyrics. What culture is she from?
I know that you've been following me back to when I first addressed this topic and talked about the masculine-rational-left side of the brain and the intuitive-feminine right. As Charles Eisenstein made clear in his post that inspired my phrase, the willingness to give your life for what you love, and for life itself, isn't exclusive to men but it is what he identified as what men had in them, and what the world needed at this juncture.
I see masculine-feminine as qualities that are only developed in tandem in each of us. The true economic shape of society, I think, is the matrix, interconnected spheres, coming from the word matri-. Hierarchy and patriarchy are redundant terms because they're both the shape of superiority and domination, whether females are at the top or not. That's why one commenter on another person's blog convinced me that the term matriarchy was a contradiction in terms.
The Great Mother sounds like a great book. I'll look for it. And my original title for this (which I mention in the video but not the text) was Toxic Masculinity and Neoliberal Feminism. There's no question that wokism is the perversion of the feminine desire for inclusiveness. But instead it creates a new hierarchy of victimization and undermines sovereignty.
So I don't know exactly if we're agreeing or disagreeing?
(I apologise for the slow response. Life and writing has kept me busy.)
"I see masculine-feminine as qualities that are only developed in tandem in each of us." Yup. This was one of the key, perhaps even foundational arguments made by Jung and his students. Anima and Animus awareness, honouring, and strengthening. I have read that the 'feminists' have largely dismissed this idea because Jung was a man and so what the fuck does he know about women. (I was recently cancelled by a woman because I didn't refer to female writers!) These same so-called 'feminists' go on to ignore that some of the best writers about the animus were in fact women, eg Marie-Louise von Franz, Marion Woodman, Linda Schierse Leonard, Clarisa Pinkola Estes (cancelled by the 'feminists' because her book was popular and not feminazi enough), Emma Jung, etc. Jung was 'cancelled', in today's jargon because he said, paraphrased 'because I am a man, I do not have the ability to write about the *experience* of the masculine element within the female psyche. From the experience of my practice with women I can and do infer the existence of a contra-sexual psychological element in women, and it appears to have certain characteristics in its negative and positive expressions. Individuation, the process of integrating the shadow, is comprised of the hierosgamos, the inner sacred marriage of the masculine and feminine psychological energies.'
So, it is great that you aren't sure if we are agreeing or disagreeing! I love it. Out of confusion comes the light by which the path to understanding may be recognised. Well, maybe, hopefully, with enough courage and curiosity, perhaps.
We are basically agreeing, IMO. Although, someone else reading our conversation may have a different opinion, based on my and your gender, while saying that gender doesn't exist at the same time calling (white) men evil patriarchs and (white) women at best ambivalent because they are victims of patriarchy yet because they are white, they have benefited from the patriarchy and so need to expand victimhood with guilt for being white. (Sorry, horrible sentence, but funny enough for me to let stand as is.)
Q: How can people holding these beliefs actually keep their brains/minds from exploding from the absolute and total self-contradictory nature of their warring ideology?
Thank you, Tereza, for the courage to wade into this bizarre woke war zone.
Thanks for that response, Guy. You know, I didn't know if you were laughing with me or at me in your first comment. When I gave my first examples, I meant them to be benevolent. I appreciate any guy brave enough to venture into a dance class! Or who's willing to discuss my book! It was a harmless sort of cluelessness about seeing things from another's perspective, that seemed to be decidedly male, whether from nature or nurture.
My oldest daughter worked for a while with autistic men and came to wonder if that term was redundant, whether the self-awareness to the exclusion of others was a trait that most men had somewhere on the spectrum. She also has a female friend she's coached for over a decade in how to hold a reciprocal conversation, for instance.
I have a male friend, with a severely autistic grown son, and I think that he's an extremely high-functioning autistic, who's used it both to his advantage and to understand how to help his son. The dad is one of the most generous and gracious people I know--in a way that I think is compensatory because it doesn't come naturally.
This made me think of male and female as two intersecting lines, not one dichotomy. What the female version is, before it intersects, is social awareness without self. It's those (mostly) women who only see themselves through the lens of others and give up their own identity. That's where wokeness comes in, I think.
Since you and I can talk in spiritual terms, where they intersect is the beginning of Self-awareness, the Self that's inclusive of everyone else but not socially, as an inner portal to the true Self. I appreciate you giving me a chance to think this out and a space to remember that thinkers used to be able to speculate without fear of cancelling! Thanks for those great references and thoughts.
PS: Did I ever tell you I have a degree in economics, and I have a piece of my mind to share with you! LOL!. Well, it is a tiny piece, and likely covered in cobwebs and dust. Ah, Life does have a wicked sense of humour.
I lived in a home with 4 women, and an absent man. The mother was a narcissistic sociopath. That is the specific reference I am referring to.
Most children on the planet, are raised by women. So, is patriarchy a woman made thing or a man made thing? Neither and both, most likely.
The requirement for balance demands the conscious awareness of how the 'toxic', ie unbalanced, energies around the archetypal principles of masculine and feminine as they are expressed in our cultural zeitgeist/paradigm.
It has no balancing value to vilify patriarchy as an enemy. In a loose way, that is extending the separation and social isolation that is underpinning our structure. Woke feminaziism will not fix the problem of masculine imbalance.
Have you read *The Great Mother: An Analysis of the Archetype* by Erich Neumann? Or is it a not-to-be-read book because it was written by a man, and so irrelevant and extending the patriarchy?
It is too simple an explanation, toxic masculinity, to explain the psychological requirements and mechanisms of individuation as applied to the individual let alone how that is expressed societally.
Hmm. If Neumann epitomises that patriarchy and so is unreadable –I was cancelled once for mentioning Jung and Neumann, by a woman as if that was not toxic masculinity in action – then perhaps read *Animus and Anima: Two Essays* by Emma Jung, or *The Feminine in Fairy Tales* or *Shadow and Evil in Fairy Tales* by Marie-Louise von Franz or *Meeting the Madwoman: Empowering the Feminine Spirit* by Linda Schierse Leonard or *Dancing in the Flames: The Dark Goddess in the Transformation of Consciousness* by Marion Woodman and Elinor Dickson, etc.
Funny synchronicity. After I finished this comment, I went to my in-box and found this:
How I Mistook Freedom for Feminism: Mary Harrington once believed that individual liberty is the highest good. Then she got pregnant.
First, I like womansplainin'.
Second, I don't have a sense of spatial awareness and I don't care what clothes I have on, or even if I have clothes on. I mean, if it's cold I might get a jacket or something. My clothing algorithm states to keep adding layers on until the sensor of cold is within the acceptable range.
My wardrobe: sport, cotton, black, white t-shirts and trousers. I have one fancy linen shirt for the summer, beige, never gets detergent. And I make a point to never use fabric softener. I also have a suit for funerals. I proudly wear sandals with socks. And I don't care about other people's field of vision because I avoid being in groups. I'm perfect!
Third, Tereza, I need to explain one concept of economics to you. No, really, I NEED to. But I won't today, because I am practicing being mysterious.
Fourth, I think toxic masculinity is a prejudiced concept and creates hatred and division among people, and I like all of that.
Fifth, I think women should [REDACTED].
Sixth, we need to stop saying we. Also, brushing teeth is unnatural an a conspiracy theory.
Just chew better and the connective tissue of your victims will clean and polish the enamel naturally. (Am I exaggerating too much?)
Seventh, follow me for more style advice.
Conclusion: I'm not a social thinker.
Tereza, I totally get it! Totally get it.....a woman clinical psychologist, and I have come across this much... and yes, he was doing exactly what you were talking about. I also find it interesting that there are not more woman in leadership roles in creating better communities of the future.
Very interesting. I bet these people are irritated with your brilliant approach to their reasoning (or lack thereof) By the way, you get honorable mentions by Mathew Crawford in his latest episode on Rumble (60 minutes into the video)
https://rumble.com/v2k30dy-the-game-theory-of-trust-is-robert-malone-the-science.html
Keep up the good work Tereza!
Woah, T, he didn't just do a shout-out, he wants to interview me! And he wants to talk about decentralization, which I'm so excited about. I love that someone with his economic background is interested in that. So I am greatly appreciative that you led me to this and that I watched the whole thing, which had so much great info on game theory and trust, and Scientology and all those shadowy figures surrounding Malone.
I can't wait to see the two of you together! Yes, it was a good episode.
Oh, thanks for the kudos, T, and for letting me know about Mathew's mention. I'll check it out!
I watched the video and was very impressed. I wish there was a way to communicate more with you directly.
Hi, alison and thanks for watching and for the compliment! My email is accessible with my first name at thirdparadigm.org. I'm happy to hear from you!
It’s toxic masculinity ie Patriarchy all the way down. Including employing patriarchal women to do their battles for them - LMAO, pathetic. ie The very gaslit/brainwashed splaining to us all these beta boys lament is now being thrown at us by the managerial class/woke left via Operation CV1984.
Patriarchal Domination from the “left” or “right” is still DOMINATION.
They need to move along/wake up/grow up/get self aware/heal their childhood-Patri trauma.
If they spent 1/100 of the time working on their own Patriarchal traumas as they do on Splaining them away/projecting them on to EVE-IL WOMAN we could get somewhere. But No!
You have the patience of a saint my Gram would say ;-)
I’m so over this Neo-Bible/OT version of reality/male-female social order…
Keep it up the GREAT WORK. Your Resist-ance to Parasitism is Inspire-ing and…. Humanizing :-)
. Let me use a word that I like when referring to men. I love a gentleman who is loving, gentle with the weaker, chivalrous and protective when necessary. These bros didn’t act like gentleman towards you Tereza, they failed to credit and cite your term. They don’t have to agree with your definition but they did steal the term, just as jay admitted when he stole it, but never thereafter. It’s plagiarism, plain and simple. And for men who want to be manly, very ungentlemanly!
Laura! What a delight that you've followed this disagreement to its roots, even 'liking' my original comments on Charles E. in response to Gavin. It gave me a chance to read all of them again and save the ones encouraging Gavin to write a post on 'probiotic manliness'. I'm going to keep urging him to do that, now that the hubbub has died down.
Your description of a gentleman brings tears to my eyes. It's something that I don't recognize how much I miss because it feels so distant. Men, like women, have been put into these positions that aren't true to their nature. I'm hopeful that something healing comes out of this rift. I appreciate your careful attention to reading both sides and nuanced view.
Thank you Tereza. You deserved better from these men who say they are gentlemen but some treated you in a classic mysogynistic way. True men really love women and recognise how precious we are. True gentlewomen also love men. My husband for example is a good man but not always a gentleman and he also loves to steal ideas from me and then Will sometimes fully believe that he invented the ideas. This is why your battle so resonated with me. Thank you for your kind words 💜
Hiya Tereza, I love how you say you're still changing your mind about everything. It's very refreshing, makes me feel it's worthwhile reading and conversing with you. I also love that you're one of the few substackers who actually reply to comments.
I am very confused, I thought that you'd established that Robert Malone was a snake in the grass and a promoter of Big Pharma who will subvert the MFM (which I think he is and will)? Now he is a non-deluded journalist? Is it that he's non deluded on this issue. They are all deluded (as we all are) on somethings, Taibbi thinks the good of people still, had the jabs though is now thankfully questioning, Brand is on point on most things (and very funny live!) but still deluded about virus existence and pushes lab leak hoax. I like Aaron Mate very much too, I don't follow the others.
Are they all men cos it's about masculinity? I would add Caitlin Johnstone as relatively non-deluded, and Celia Farber.
Thank you
Jo 🙏🏽
Haha, I see you caught me in another thing where I've changed my mind. That video was from when I was a big fan of Malone. I thought about taking the reference to him out of the description but that didn't feel honest. And I also have this episode that's all about changing your mind: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/when-did-you-stop-being-wrong.
I don't need to completely agree with anyone as long as I feel they're being honest--with me, maybe not always with themselves. Even Aaron Mate, who I love, I disagreed with that Russia had not done everything they could to avoid the conflict. I write about that in this one: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/putin-peace-petrodollar-pain.
I also love Caitlin but have had some exchanges that, I felt, didn't show her best self. I wonder if she regrets not being more supportive of protests against the lockdown in Melbourne now that she's wanting Australians to bond against being a US proxy and nuclear staging ground. I write about our exchange here: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/caitlin-johnstone-and-free-speech exceptions.
And I think Celia's work on the AIDS hoax as a test run for the scamdemic is brilliant. I think I've cited it somewhere but I might not have gotten to it yet. I didn't agree with her position on woke Satanism and sexual morality being the cause of our current crisis, which I mention in this: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-devil-and-naomi-wolf.
I'm so glad you subbed!
Hiya, thank you so much, we are all allowed to change our minds, and you point out many issues that I didn't know about.
So interesting to hear your well informed (and changing) perspectives.
Bring it on!
xxx
They should of given u credit for the term. period. I would be annoyed too.
Yes it’s classic/historical theft of womens’ IP by Patriarchy’s homosocial priest class. They aren’t creators, they are thieves
Every man has experienced the toxic feminine., and not just from women. It is that energy that carefully notices all that you are and do, zeroes in on what you do best and finds some way to turn it into something evil or dirty. The whole woke ideology is the toxic feminine at its most corrosive. Like, math, physics, music theory, economics, democracy, liberty - all products of toxic western civilization patriarchy (because we can't understand it).
You see a pretty gal with nice booty and wink. HORRORS! You dirty misogynist beast!
In contrast, the positive feminine ( not totally confined to women) notices the same thing and finds a way to gently affirm it because it knows that men are most critical of themselves and that a good word goes a long way to ease the self-imposed burden of their male egos. A man will do anything for a women like that when she comes into his life.
Why do I feel like laughing at this, Tereza? Is that a toxic man, thing? Is saying 'man' politically incorrect, self identifying with unconscious confirmation of woke gender signalling bias, or something?
In a small synchronicity, while writing a kind of 'advanced' intro to freedom movement counter ops for my next essay, a 'random' spotify picked song came into my ears. The lyrics really caught my ears, tonight.
That is actually a bit unusual for me when I'm writing. I am able to turn out conscious awareness of background music, an old practice from living in a small house with 3 sisters a mother and an absent father when music was the balm that saved me from complete estrogen madness. And now estrogen is the toxic masculinity panacea! OMG! Or, to virtual signal my non-masculine awareness, OMGess! That song really wanted me to share it here. See below.
And for some reason your foray into the 'tonic'(???) feminine brought to mind that the author likely hasn't read the important and amazing book *The Great Mother: An Analysis of the Archetype* by Erich Neumann. (Yup, a male writer, which has had me cancelled by someone once. Hmmmm.) https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1282241.The_Great_Mother
This is a very important book, unless toxic masculinity writing about the feminine energy as highly ambivalent is some kind of patriarchal evil, of course.
Anyway, here is the song that 'popped' up: 'Havoc in Heaven' by Jesca Hoop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4wXFGHAt_c
[Verse 1]
Red ribbon on which we ride
Carry us over horizon as the sun setting night
Puts on a phantom cloak
Sing violet light and evoke
The protection that violet evokes
[Verse 2]
Fasten your focus on your soul
Cause is your fruit and flowers on
Red ribbon, swift justice comes
Delivery, white bone demon
[Chorus]
Ohhh, ohhh
Begun the havoc in heaven
Ohhh, ohhh
Begun the havoc in heaven
[Verse 3]
Deep, deep, deep in the green sea
There is a weapon for me
A pin that is fixing the sea
A pillar of gold shiny
And if I can pull it free
The cudgel is coming with me
[Verse 4]
Fasten heave ho, pillar of gold
Runs through the deepest darkest stone
Cudgel undone, weighing one ton
Bring on your force, white bone demon
[Chorus]
Ohhh, ohhh
Begun the havoc in heaven
Ohhh, ohhh
Begun the havoc in heaven
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[Bridge]
Don't believe your eyes
When the maiden does arrive
You fool, she's the enemy
And do not trust the guise
Of a woman old and wise
For truly, she is the white bone demon
[Verse 5]
Dance makaku's 'round the fire
Warrior drums, banshee cryers
Call to them, visions of her piar
Filled by the demon's throne
We shall subdue her to bone
And ashes to ashes her home
[Verse 6]
Fasten your focus on your soul
'Cause is your fruit and flowers' home
And in one blow, I smite down my foe
And ashes to ashes welcome home
[Chorus]
Ohhh, ohhh
Begun the havoc in heaven
Hello, Guy! Beautiful song, I love the Middle Eastern overtones and the dark mythology to the lyrics. What culture is she from?
I know that you've been following me back to when I first addressed this topic and talked about the masculine-rational-left side of the brain and the intuitive-feminine right. As Charles Eisenstein made clear in his post that inspired my phrase, the willingness to give your life for what you love, and for life itself, isn't exclusive to men but it is what he identified as what men had in them, and what the world needed at this juncture.
I see masculine-feminine as qualities that are only developed in tandem in each of us. The true economic shape of society, I think, is the matrix, interconnected spheres, coming from the word matri-. Hierarchy and patriarchy are redundant terms because they're both the shape of superiority and domination, whether females are at the top or not. That's why one commenter on another person's blog convinced me that the term matriarchy was a contradiction in terms.
The Great Mother sounds like a great book. I'll look for it. And my original title for this (which I mention in the video but not the text) was Toxic Masculinity and Neoliberal Feminism. There's no question that wokism is the perversion of the feminine desire for inclusiveness. But instead it creates a new hierarchy of victimization and undermines sovereignty.
So I don't know exactly if we're agreeing or disagreeing?
Great comment/elaboration, Tereza. Thank you.
(I apologise for the slow response. Life and writing has kept me busy.)
"I see masculine-feminine as qualities that are only developed in tandem in each of us." Yup. This was one of the key, perhaps even foundational arguments made by Jung and his students. Anima and Animus awareness, honouring, and strengthening. I have read that the 'feminists' have largely dismissed this idea because Jung was a man and so what the fuck does he know about women. (I was recently cancelled by a woman because I didn't refer to female writers!) These same so-called 'feminists' go on to ignore that some of the best writers about the animus were in fact women, eg Marie-Louise von Franz, Marion Woodman, Linda Schierse Leonard, Clarisa Pinkola Estes (cancelled by the 'feminists' because her book was popular and not feminazi enough), Emma Jung, etc. Jung was 'cancelled', in today's jargon because he said, paraphrased 'because I am a man, I do not have the ability to write about the *experience* of the masculine element within the female psyche. From the experience of my practice with women I can and do infer the existence of a contra-sexual psychological element in women, and it appears to have certain characteristics in its negative and positive expressions. Individuation, the process of integrating the shadow, is comprised of the hierosgamos, the inner sacred marriage of the masculine and feminine psychological energies.'
So, it is great that you aren't sure if we are agreeing or disagreeing! I love it. Out of confusion comes the light by which the path to understanding may be recognised. Well, maybe, hopefully, with enough courage and curiosity, perhaps.
We are basically agreeing, IMO. Although, someone else reading our conversation may have a different opinion, based on my and your gender, while saying that gender doesn't exist at the same time calling (white) men evil patriarchs and (white) women at best ambivalent because they are victims of patriarchy yet because they are white, they have benefited from the patriarchy and so need to expand victimhood with guilt for being white. (Sorry, horrible sentence, but funny enough for me to let stand as is.)
Q: How can people holding these beliefs actually keep their brains/minds from exploding from the absolute and total self-contradictory nature of their warring ideology?
Thank you, Tereza, for the courage to wade into this bizarre woke war zone.
Thanks for that response, Guy. You know, I didn't know if you were laughing with me or at me in your first comment. When I gave my first examples, I meant them to be benevolent. I appreciate any guy brave enough to venture into a dance class! Or who's willing to discuss my book! It was a harmless sort of cluelessness about seeing things from another's perspective, that seemed to be decidedly male, whether from nature or nurture.
My oldest daughter worked for a while with autistic men and came to wonder if that term was redundant, whether the self-awareness to the exclusion of others was a trait that most men had somewhere on the spectrum. She also has a female friend she's coached for over a decade in how to hold a reciprocal conversation, for instance.
I have a male friend, with a severely autistic grown son, and I think that he's an extremely high-functioning autistic, who's used it both to his advantage and to understand how to help his son. The dad is one of the most generous and gracious people I know--in a way that I think is compensatory because it doesn't come naturally.
This made me think of male and female as two intersecting lines, not one dichotomy. What the female version is, before it intersects, is social awareness without self. It's those (mostly) women who only see themselves through the lens of others and give up their own identity. That's where wokeness comes in, I think.
Since you and I can talk in spiritual terms, where they intersect is the beginning of Self-awareness, the Self that's inclusive of everyone else but not socially, as an inner portal to the true Self. I appreciate you giving me a chance to think this out and a space to remember that thinkers used to be able to speculate without fear of cancelling! Thanks for those great references and thoughts.
I was laughing with you. Well, that is what I thought I was thinking at the time I was thinking about the thought of responding. ;-O RotFL.
PS: Did I ever tell you I have a degree in economics, and I have a piece of my mind to share with you! LOL!. Well, it is a tiny piece, and likely covered in cobwebs and dust. Ah, Life does have a wicked sense of humour.
Hello/Bonjour Guy! ESTROGEN MADNESS? Can you say TESTOSTERONE WORLD? Are you of/born into a a Patri European worldview? See my comment below.
I lived in a home with 4 women, and an absent man. The mother was a narcissistic sociopath. That is the specific reference I am referring to.
Most children on the planet, are raised by women. So, is patriarchy a woman made thing or a man made thing? Neither and both, most likely.
The requirement for balance demands the conscious awareness of how the 'toxic', ie unbalanced, energies around the archetypal principles of masculine and feminine as they are expressed in our cultural zeitgeist/paradigm.
It has no balancing value to vilify patriarchy as an enemy. In a loose way, that is extending the separation and social isolation that is underpinning our structure. Woke feminaziism will not fix the problem of masculine imbalance.
Have you read *The Great Mother: An Analysis of the Archetype* by Erich Neumann? Or is it a not-to-be-read book because it was written by a man, and so irrelevant and extending the patriarchy?
It is too simple an explanation, toxic masculinity, to explain the psychological requirements and mechanisms of individuation as applied to the individual let alone how that is expressed societally.
Hmm. If Neumann epitomises that patriarchy and so is unreadable –I was cancelled once for mentioning Jung and Neumann, by a woman as if that was not toxic masculinity in action – then perhaps read *Animus and Anima: Two Essays* by Emma Jung, or *The Feminine in Fairy Tales* or *Shadow and Evil in Fairy Tales* by Marie-Louise von Franz or *Meeting the Madwoman: Empowering the Feminine Spirit* by Linda Schierse Leonard or *Dancing in the Flames: The Dark Goddess in the Transformation of Consciousness* by Marion Woodman and Elinor Dickson, etc.
Funny synchronicity. After I finished this comment, I went to my in-box and found this:
How I Mistook Freedom for Feminism: Mary Harrington once believed that individual liberty is the highest good. Then she got pregnant.
By Mary Harrington. April 24, 2023
https://www.thefp.com/p/how-i-mistook-freedom-for-feminism