It sounds like the Bubble of calibrations you speak of is an escape room. My daughter has done a few escape room experiences. I also want to mention that people who made the self employment choice know, embrace and use their empowerment and responsibility everyday in their business. They never feel like a victim. Every challenge that comes their way they want to solve. I think that's why Small businesses and the middle class citizenry it creates are always under attack by the oligarchical class. They Fear the fearless most!
Escape room is a great analogy! Or a padded cell where we can't really hurt ourselves while we're sorting out our delusions and coming back into our true mind.
Definitely you're right about that, which is why home ownership, small local businesses and small local landlords are the three measures of community health. All of which have been under attack. The death rate of small businesses is another statistic we're not tracking along with the death rate and falling birth rate.
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There is something to be said for interacting with sacred literature or text. Like the bible or CIM. What makes these different from, say a novel or the phonebook, is that they are organized by a larger intelligence. When you contemplate a question for the text, it frequently responds with an answer. This can be as an insight, a dream, or synchronicity.
Happens all the time with me. The only requirement is that you approached the text with some reverence. But sometimes not even that is required. It is one way that a new story line enters your life.
That's such a good way to put it, Jerry. I completely agree that it seems like it's a conversation sometimes, where the Course is finishing my thought. And sometimes I'll find it happening with other books too, even novels, where a question I have in mind seems like it's answered in an eerie resonance. Very perceptive that a new story line enters your life, I like that.
The Course seems to come in and out of my life over the past 25+ years. After more than ten years quiesence, it has recently returned, maybe as a result of reading your blog. It's never easy and the book is dog-eared from occasional flights into the wall :)
Having listened to your weaving of these three - CE, CH and ACIM I appreciate the nimbleness of your mind all the more, especially in light of the larger framing of a larger plan. So agree. We do tend - as individuals - to get in our own way. All part of the waking up I suppose. Interesting we are attracted to similar voices, or 'anchoring' perspectives and of course, even with their differences - and we want that - find they are complementary.
I tend to think of the human experience as a kaleidoscope with endless fractals; (and expressions) each one representing each of us and reflecting back a unique view that clarifies or obscures the whole.
Where I differ on the Course is I don't believe it's our dream of guilt that has created this mess. Though perhaps that's layered in. I do believe our planet was infiltrated (as does Clif) and we've been dealing with the distortions ever since, and so now see even ourselves with the significant limitations (about who we are) that emerged within those distortions. We don't yet know what free humanity does because it's been so damn long since we've been free. The dream of guilt was (IMO) given to us. That's the difference. The point of including that is not to accept victimhood but to identify what's behind the anti-human agenda. It's not human. Humans are pro-human. WE have though, adapted to these anti-human distortions it and in doing so taken on many of its attributes.
A big, cosmic story, appropriately, since we are Big cosmic beings.
And yes, nothing real is threatened. We can't lose anything that wasn't really ours. And that intelligence behind LIFE (even under captured forces,) never disappears and we always have access to it. What a long play, drama, comedy and tragedy.
Well that's my truncated take. Appreciate you, Tereza. Or should I call you Terez?
I read your In-Between post just before this and, Kathleen, it's so gorgeous. I love the mailbox-as-metaphor and the general sense of shifting realities that haven't resolved into one picture or another. And people as indeterminate, slightly transparent in a not-quite-all-there way. It's so beautifully put and so much what I've been feeling, down to my eyes playing 'tricks' on me.
It makes me even more grateful to have you reading my thoughts. Your kaleidoscope metaphor is great. When I first read about the 'Mosaic' God, I thought it meant that each of us had a part of the mosaic that made up god--then found it was the same old god of Moses, bleh!
On guilt imposed or self-imposed, I'll go back to my usual question--what difference does it make? My theory on guilt is that it needs a bed prepared for it, a place to land, before it can be imposed. To the annoyance of many an ex-boyfriend, I have an odd lack of guilt-readiness, especially for an ex-Catholic. So the efforts to impose guilt generally just glance off of me.
Somewhere there's something in human consciousness that accepts that suffering must be for what we've done, whether that's in this lifetime or one past. I totally agree with you that we can't even conceive of freedom because we've been in a cage (of our own making?) for so long.
If the dream of guilt was imposed on us, then somewhere there's a reality that means us harm, that has great power over us that we have to fight. If the dream of guilt is a benevolent bubble of un-reality to give us a harmless way to re-member ourSelf, put our parts back together into One, that seems more hopeful. There's nothing out there that wishes us harm.
Thank you, very generous. I'm so happy you enjoyed it!
A very excellent question re guilt - what difference does it make whether imposed or self-imposed? Perhaps none. Though I like the orientation of imposed. not only because I think it is the case, but because if we remove blame from ourselves from the out-set, we free something up; we unburden ourselves.As far as I can tell - the mantra that we are the problem - is a key to our perpetual manipulation. And while yes, there is something in consciousness that accepts suffering, I don't believe that's innate. It's inherited.
Ultimately this dream may have included saying yes to this infiltration but I still don't see it as a human-creation. Was it necessary to our coming into our fullness - maybe. I don't know. And in the end it really may not matter.
I do think, the notion of an external force that interfered with humanity will matter, because it's essential to pushing out our place in a vast universe. There's a much bigger cosmic story going on. And really, while it has done harm and continues to do harm, from my perspective this non-human force is synthetic, without emotion and so it's really just doing what it's programmed to do. I don't see 'evil' intent; that religions frame it in, though I do think they point to the same thing. Aurobindo talked about it, as did Paul and the Gnostics. And Steiner (my favorite take) saw it's synthetic aspect - saw much about this time - and that it would misuse technology to enslave us. (He also said a vaccine would be made to disconnect humans from their Source.) However he ultimately also saw this force as playing a beneficial to humans in that the threat would result in them freeing themselves. Fascinatingly (I'm including this is a new piece I'm working on) he called this force on the planet, Ahriman, and we currently have a game by that name and a movie will be coming out this year that includes Ahriman. (Dark Journalist has covered this on his show.) Such a fascinating time.
If we allow for the idea of another Source on the planet, rather than humans playing a game on themselves, for me, it cleans up a lot.
We can't be aware of, and create boundaries for, a force we don't think exists. It operates inter-dimensionally and takes people over mostly via frequency, often through thoughts. It latches on and becomes part of us, we create identities around it, and so then perpetuate its influence. However scary that may sound, it's also good news, because it simply can't exist at higher frequencies. Icke has a lot of this right - though I don't agree with everything he says on it. As we shed its influence individually, it loses strength in the world. Whatever identities we have entangled with it, will have to go, (so yeah, big resistance) but they were developed to adapt to a slave system, so they have to go. What's left is who we actually are. What's left is aligned to the Source that created us.
This is why bodily sovereignty is essential as is a willingness to align to nature and that larger Love that permeates our reality, our being and is our Source connection.
It's fun conversing with you Tereza. I rarely get the opportunity to exchange these kinds of ideas. This is my current best understanding - subject to change.💕
I realized as I was writing it that "What difference does it make?" is usually rhetorical to say "none." But I think it's a really important question to ask so I'm glad you took it literally.
There are so many layers to it. If it's a dream that we are writing with spirit, perhaps the script that enables our release is one with an external force that interfered with humanity.
The first choice in the decision tree is whether we exist as separate minds in the world, or the world exists as a figment in our single mind. I'm not saying that I believe one or the other but there isn't any compromise between them. If one is true, the other is false.
If I accept that there's even one thing in the world 'out there,' I have to reject the possibility that it's all 'in here.' It's not that I think we're doing it to ourselves, it's more that we're not doing anything to anyone. It's not really happening. There isn't any real guilt, only this silly idea of guilt because there's no one else to harm.
The evidence that I have of the single Mind are synchronicities like this! Of all the people in the world, you came into my sphere enjoying these kinds of ideas. It's a joy to converse with you too, Kathleen, it's a rare opportunity for me too ;-)
I once drove the Blue Ridge mountain pass--what is it called again? It was during a typhoon warning, or something like that, and the fog was thick! I hugged as close to the inner cliff as possible and crept along. Oh and my window on the rental wouldn't close so rain was coming in. But I love NC and hope to go back and do that drive in better weather. I could tell it would be magnificent but I was too afraid to look down!
"There’s an intelligence that orchestrates and organizes all things and places us in the conditions where we have the opportunity to say yes or no to..."
But is it benevolent? I have my doubts, as did Tyler Durden in Fight Club.
"Listen to me. You have to consider the possibility that God does not like you. He never wanted you. In all probability, he hates you. This is not the worst thing that can happen." —Tyler Durden
Yes, I think that you, via Tyler, are perfectly articulating the position of Judeo-Christianity, which I call God the Monster. There is a God who created pain, death, hunger, toil, suffering in order to punish you for an ancient act of disobedience and to test your love for Him. I refuse to entertain the possibility of that God because why? If that God exists, we're royally screwed.
The second possibility is that there is no God, everything's an accident and the ability to inflict pain, i.e. torture, is the strongest force there is, enabling the inflicter to get his way. We're still screwed but not as royally. At least there's no all-powerful will behind what's going on.
And the ONLY other possibility for a benevolent God to be real is if the world is not, if it's a figment of our single imagination, our single dream born out of guilt for something we never did (according to the Course.)
So you stand with billions of Jews and Christians, although they don't take their logic to the inevitable conclusion that you and Tyler do. But the only way a benevolent God can logically be real is if the world is not. And in considering that possibility, I'm standing well nigh alone--with even Marianne Williamson being inconsistent, as I say in the video. Why would you want the only person considering a logical alternative to abandon that and join you and the rest of the world? (although you're being more honest about it)
The picture changes some if we're all part of God's dissociative identity disorder, separately generating stories of a whole God that is not us, but outside and omnipotent.
Huh? As I often say in my episodes, my only dogma is that I'm not better than anyone else. I do trust my experience, which is what I think Charles E. is talking about with the synchronicities. I wouldn't apply nihilism to my philosophy at all. Why do you think it applies?
My idea of nihilism is when I trust neither my experience or my current dogma (TOE or Theory of Everything). That is one of those defining moments in life that have occurred to me several times. Usually an inflection point.
I like that you define dogma as your TOE, which seems more like a working hypothesis to me. I see dogma as the beliefs that someone is not willing to raise to question through logic, facts or experience. In a way, it seems like your definition of nihilism is a TON--theory of nothing. I can see why that would be an inflection point where you're open to change. But it seems like it would be a new experience that would change that, whether it's one of internal revelation or something external. What is it that defines the moment for you? I'm curious.
If you've ever been in a recovery (12-step) program, there is language to describe this. "Hitting bottom; Your best thinking got you here; When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging." It happens to a lot of us in life.
Yes, I think you were the first to mention him to me. And I read something of his that you'd recommended at the time but I forget what it was now. When you've watched, please post your thoughts, if you would. What I'm looking at in the video is the function of that as a belief system in terms of feeling hopeful that things can change but also feeling powerless. Am I not understanding it correctly?
I also forgot to mention that the lakes and rivers in the sky that he mentions as signs(?) are being geoengineered. I think it's quite possible, as Isaac Middle has speculated, that there's an intentional parallel between Biblical end-time signs and what's being perpetrated on us. Interested to hear your thoughts, since my understanding is very superficial.
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Hi Teresa thank you for your reply. I understand where you are coming from but I have too many gaps in my head to be able to help. Clif is a mind f@#$ but resonates and intuitively feels like he has the key to a lock and a door that I didn't even know existed until recently. What I can say from the heart is that the nuance I got from you're thinking resonates. I got this vibe that was like manifestation, Ask the universe type stuff But I'm also saying like taroT or astrology or anything else that can be a force for good, these are against the tenets of The Bible and can deemed / tarred as witchcraft. Is Cliff a witch, warlock or a kind of prophet OR a Samuel Pepys type narrator / chronicler of noow? God's creation that's manifested a way of looking at the world framed by our tribulations? We have to be cynical and question everything. After all, who is the great deceiver? But at the same time we have this absolute faith. Words on the page or words memorized in the mind cannot do Justice to the feeling, the intuition, the knowledge of God and Jesus speaking to us through being connected. Amen. All I know is I am at peace and thirsty for knowledge and truth.
Beautifully said, Paul. I think that all three of these strands--Charles, Clif, the Course--are not exclusive of the others. From my interpretation of the Course, we (the part of us in our right mind, and maybe 'right' as not-left) is writing the script for how we resolve the conflict and emerge from the dream. There's nothing too woo-woo: if we can imagine it, we can manifest it. Maybe what Clif is saying is the next story, as one of Charles' audience members asked. I'm eager to learn more.
And thank you for your statement from the heart. That means a lot to me, especially coming from someone as broad-minded as you, able to hold contradictions and paradox in mind without needing to 'solve' them. That's a great skill.
A big YES to Terez syndrome! I’m going to practice it today!
YOU are fantastic at having such a width and depth of interests and topics and I read every one of your posts. I appreciate how you stretch my brain and encourage me to think AND encourage me to be a better person. Thank you for what you bring to the world and to the space between the stories.
I will be watching! I'm no 5 who listens to Clif. For a long time now...connecting to the Course in Miracles!!! Read it many moons ago. Should be interesting!
Oh and I see that Kathleen in the next comment will be no. 6. So now I know that I'll get plenty of feedback on what I'm missing with him--which is certainly lots! That's so great that you have both references, I'm eager to hear your thoughts.
Re Clif, these recent podcasts are not indicative of his total body of work. Much more to his world view than is mentioned here. I find his brain fascinating.
My head is now spinning. Agree with you about Marianne Williamson. Used to love her when she was all about TCIM and I don't detect any alignment with it now. Love your explanations of infinity etc. Much to ponder. Might have to haul out TCIM again. 👏💕
Yes, Marianne's platform seems similar to Bernie Sanders in providing for people and making them dependent rather than enabling them to take responsibility for themselves. And she engages in a lot of "the world is ending" climate change and nuclear fear-inducement, which contradicts the Course since how can something that doesn't really exist be threatened? It's the two line summary: Nothing real can be threatened, nothing unreal exists. Therein lies the peace of God.
What a feast, Tereza! I happened to listen to the Charles talk, and I follow Clif (and was a student of CIM) so I'm looking forward to listening to your take. The space between stories must be 'up' for many of us - I wrote a recent stack call 'The In-Between' as that's what I'm calling the place I've been residing in. (It doesn't have the same rules) Thanks will comment post listening again. (Love how you never shy away from 'BIG' topics.)
Oh that's so interesting that you have all three of those reference points! I'll look up your recent stack--I thought I was subbed but may have lost it when following Georgie&Donny's lead in a temporary purge/ pause. I'm very interested in your In-Between, which sounds like it might be similar to the space I've been feeling like I'm in.
ps I used to own the domain name BIGthinker.com. Not sure how I let that one get away from me ;-)
It sounds like the Bubble of calibrations you speak of is an escape room. My daughter has done a few escape room experiences. I also want to mention that people who made the self employment choice know, embrace and use their empowerment and responsibility everyday in their business. They never feel like a victim. Every challenge that comes their way they want to solve. I think that's why Small businesses and the middle class citizenry it creates are always under attack by the oligarchical class. They Fear the fearless most!
Escape room is a great analogy! Or a padded cell where we can't really hurt ourselves while we're sorting out our delusions and coming back into our true mind.
Definitely you're right about that, which is why home ownership, small local businesses and small local landlords are the three measures of community health. All of which have been under attack. The death rate of small businesses is another statistic we're not tracking along with the death rate and falling birth rate.
There is something to be said for interacting with sacred literature or text. Like the bible or CIM. What makes these different from, say a novel or the phonebook, is that they are organized by a larger intelligence. When you contemplate a question for the text, it frequently responds with an answer. This can be as an insight, a dream, or synchronicity.
Happens all the time with me. The only requirement is that you approached the text with some reverence. But sometimes not even that is required. It is one way that a new story line enters your life.
That's such a good way to put it, Jerry. I completely agree that it seems like it's a conversation sometimes, where the Course is finishing my thought. And sometimes I'll find it happening with other books too, even novels, where a question I have in mind seems like it's answered in an eerie resonance. Very perceptive that a new story line enters your life, I like that.
The Course seems to come in and out of my life over the past 25+ years. After more than ten years quiesence, it has recently returned, maybe as a result of reading your blog. It's never easy and the book is dog-eared from occasional flights into the wall :)
Hahaha. I've heard that from others as well.
Having listened to your weaving of these three - CE, CH and ACIM I appreciate the nimbleness of your mind all the more, especially in light of the larger framing of a larger plan. So agree. We do tend - as individuals - to get in our own way. All part of the waking up I suppose. Interesting we are attracted to similar voices, or 'anchoring' perspectives and of course, even with their differences - and we want that - find they are complementary.
I tend to think of the human experience as a kaleidoscope with endless fractals; (and expressions) each one representing each of us and reflecting back a unique view that clarifies or obscures the whole.
Where I differ on the Course is I don't believe it's our dream of guilt that has created this mess. Though perhaps that's layered in. I do believe our planet was infiltrated (as does Clif) and we've been dealing with the distortions ever since, and so now see even ourselves with the significant limitations (about who we are) that emerged within those distortions. We don't yet know what free humanity does because it's been so damn long since we've been free. The dream of guilt was (IMO) given to us. That's the difference. The point of including that is not to accept victimhood but to identify what's behind the anti-human agenda. It's not human. Humans are pro-human. WE have though, adapted to these anti-human distortions it and in doing so taken on many of its attributes.
A big, cosmic story, appropriately, since we are Big cosmic beings.
And yes, nothing real is threatened. We can't lose anything that wasn't really ours. And that intelligence behind LIFE (even under captured forces,) never disappears and we always have access to it. What a long play, drama, comedy and tragedy.
Well that's my truncated take. Appreciate you, Tereza. Or should I call you Terez?
I read your In-Between post just before this and, Kathleen, it's so gorgeous. I love the mailbox-as-metaphor and the general sense of shifting realities that haven't resolved into one picture or another. And people as indeterminate, slightly transparent in a not-quite-all-there way. It's so beautifully put and so much what I've been feeling, down to my eyes playing 'tricks' on me.
It makes me even more grateful to have you reading my thoughts. Your kaleidoscope metaphor is great. When I first read about the 'Mosaic' God, I thought it meant that each of us had a part of the mosaic that made up god--then found it was the same old god of Moses, bleh!
On guilt imposed or self-imposed, I'll go back to my usual question--what difference does it make? My theory on guilt is that it needs a bed prepared for it, a place to land, before it can be imposed. To the annoyance of many an ex-boyfriend, I have an odd lack of guilt-readiness, especially for an ex-Catholic. So the efforts to impose guilt generally just glance off of me.
Somewhere there's something in human consciousness that accepts that suffering must be for what we've done, whether that's in this lifetime or one past. I totally agree with you that we can't even conceive of freedom because we've been in a cage (of our own making?) for so long.
If the dream of guilt was imposed on us, then somewhere there's a reality that means us harm, that has great power over us that we have to fight. If the dream of guilt is a benevolent bubble of un-reality to give us a harmless way to re-member ourSelf, put our parts back together into One, that seems more hopeful. There's nothing out there that wishes us harm.
Truncated take back atcha!
Thank you, very generous. I'm so happy you enjoyed it!
A very excellent question re guilt - what difference does it make whether imposed or self-imposed? Perhaps none. Though I like the orientation of imposed. not only because I think it is the case, but because if we remove blame from ourselves from the out-set, we free something up; we unburden ourselves.As far as I can tell - the mantra that we are the problem - is a key to our perpetual manipulation. And while yes, there is something in consciousness that accepts suffering, I don't believe that's innate. It's inherited.
Ultimately this dream may have included saying yes to this infiltration but I still don't see it as a human-creation. Was it necessary to our coming into our fullness - maybe. I don't know. And in the end it really may not matter.
I do think, the notion of an external force that interfered with humanity will matter, because it's essential to pushing out our place in a vast universe. There's a much bigger cosmic story going on. And really, while it has done harm and continues to do harm, from my perspective this non-human force is synthetic, without emotion and so it's really just doing what it's programmed to do. I don't see 'evil' intent; that religions frame it in, though I do think they point to the same thing. Aurobindo talked about it, as did Paul and the Gnostics. And Steiner (my favorite take) saw it's synthetic aspect - saw much about this time - and that it would misuse technology to enslave us. (He also said a vaccine would be made to disconnect humans from their Source.) However he ultimately also saw this force as playing a beneficial to humans in that the threat would result in them freeing themselves. Fascinatingly (I'm including this is a new piece I'm working on) he called this force on the planet, Ahriman, and we currently have a game by that name and a movie will be coming out this year that includes Ahriman. (Dark Journalist has covered this on his show.) Such a fascinating time.
If we allow for the idea of another Source on the planet, rather than humans playing a game on themselves, for me, it cleans up a lot.
We can't be aware of, and create boundaries for, a force we don't think exists. It operates inter-dimensionally and takes people over mostly via frequency, often through thoughts. It latches on and becomes part of us, we create identities around it, and so then perpetuate its influence. However scary that may sound, it's also good news, because it simply can't exist at higher frequencies. Icke has a lot of this right - though I don't agree with everything he says on it. As we shed its influence individually, it loses strength in the world. Whatever identities we have entangled with it, will have to go, (so yeah, big resistance) but they were developed to adapt to a slave system, so they have to go. What's left is who we actually are. What's left is aligned to the Source that created us.
This is why bodily sovereignty is essential as is a willingness to align to nature and that larger Love that permeates our reality, our being and is our Source connection.
It's fun conversing with you Tereza. I rarely get the opportunity to exchange these kinds of ideas. This is my current best understanding - subject to change.💕
I realized as I was writing it that "What difference does it make?" is usually rhetorical to say "none." But I think it's a really important question to ask so I'm glad you took it literally.
There are so many layers to it. If it's a dream that we are writing with spirit, perhaps the script that enables our release is one with an external force that interfered with humanity.
The first choice in the decision tree is whether we exist as separate minds in the world, or the world exists as a figment in our single mind. I'm not saying that I believe one or the other but there isn't any compromise between them. If one is true, the other is false.
If I accept that there's even one thing in the world 'out there,' I have to reject the possibility that it's all 'in here.' It's not that I think we're doing it to ourselves, it's more that we're not doing anything to anyone. It's not really happening. There isn't any real guilt, only this silly idea of guilt because there's no one else to harm.
The evidence that I have of the single Mind are synchronicities like this! Of all the people in the world, you came into my sphere enjoying these kinds of ideas. It's a joy to converse with you too, Kathleen, it's a rare opportunity for me too ;-)
Blue ridge mountain was beautiful! I liked in Jacksonville N.C for 6 years I learned a lot when I was a kid.
I once drove the Blue Ridge mountain pass--what is it called again? It was during a typhoon warning, or something like that, and the fog was thick! I hugged as close to the inner cliff as possible and crept along. Oh and my window on the rental wouldn't close so rain was coming in. But I love NC and hope to go back and do that drive in better weather. I could tell it would be magnificent but I was too afraid to look down!
"There’s an intelligence that orchestrates and organizes all things and places us in the conditions where we have the opportunity to say yes or no to..."
But is it benevolent? I have my doubts, as did Tyler Durden in Fight Club.
"Listen to me. You have to consider the possibility that God does not like you. He never wanted you. In all probability, he hates you. This is not the worst thing that can happen." —Tyler Durden
Yes, I think that you, via Tyler, are perfectly articulating the position of Judeo-Christianity, which I call God the Monster. There is a God who created pain, death, hunger, toil, suffering in order to punish you for an ancient act of disobedience and to test your love for Him. I refuse to entertain the possibility of that God because why? If that God exists, we're royally screwed.
The second possibility is that there is no God, everything's an accident and the ability to inflict pain, i.e. torture, is the strongest force there is, enabling the inflicter to get his way. We're still screwed but not as royally. At least there's no all-powerful will behind what's going on.
And the ONLY other possibility for a benevolent God to be real is if the world is not, if it's a figment of our single imagination, our single dream born out of guilt for something we never did (according to the Course.)
So you stand with billions of Jews and Christians, although they don't take their logic to the inevitable conclusion that you and Tyler do. But the only way a benevolent God can logically be real is if the world is not. And in considering that possibility, I'm standing well nigh alone--with even Marianne Williamson being inconsistent, as I say in the video. Why would you want the only person considering a logical alternative to abandon that and join you and the rest of the world? (although you're being more honest about it)
The picture changes some if we're all part of God's dissociative identity disorder, separately generating stories of a whole God that is not us, but outside and omnipotent.
Interesting way of putting it!
Do you trust dogma or your experience? Or neither, I guess a type of nihilism.
Huh? As I often say in my episodes, my only dogma is that I'm not better than anyone else. I do trust my experience, which is what I think Charles E. is talking about with the synchronicities. I wouldn't apply nihilism to my philosophy at all. Why do you think it applies?
My idea of nihilism is when I trust neither my experience or my current dogma (TOE or Theory of Everything). That is one of those defining moments in life that have occurred to me several times. Usually an inflection point.
I like that you define dogma as your TOE, which seems more like a working hypothesis to me. I see dogma as the beliefs that someone is not willing to raise to question through logic, facts or experience. In a way, it seems like your definition of nihilism is a TON--theory of nothing. I can see why that would be an inflection point where you're open to change. But it seems like it would be a new experience that would change that, whether it's one of internal revelation or something external. What is it that defines the moment for you? I'm curious.
If you've ever been in a recovery (12-step) program, there is language to describe this. "Hitting bottom; Your best thinking got you here; When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging." It happens to a lot of us in life.
I also listen to Clif! Bit woo woo at times but fascinating. Will watch your videos when I get time. Got tons of stacks to plough through.
Yes, I think you were the first to mention him to me. And I read something of his that you'd recommended at the time but I forget what it was now. When you've watched, please post your thoughts, if you would. What I'm looking at in the video is the function of that as a belief system in terms of feeling hopeful that things can change but also feeling powerless. Am I not understanding it correctly?
I also forgot to mention that the lakes and rivers in the sky that he mentions as signs(?) are being geoengineered. I think it's quite possible, as Isaac Middle has speculated, that there's an intentional parallel between Biblical end-time signs and what's being perpetrated on us. Interested to hear your thoughts, since my understanding is very superficial.
Hi Teresa thank you for your reply. I understand where you are coming from but I have too many gaps in my head to be able to help. Clif is a mind f@#$ but resonates and intuitively feels like he has the key to a lock and a door that I didn't even know existed until recently. What I can say from the heart is that the nuance I got from you're thinking resonates. I got this vibe that was like manifestation, Ask the universe type stuff But I'm also saying like taroT or astrology or anything else that can be a force for good, these are against the tenets of The Bible and can deemed / tarred as witchcraft. Is Cliff a witch, warlock or a kind of prophet OR a Samuel Pepys type narrator / chronicler of noow? God's creation that's manifested a way of looking at the world framed by our tribulations? We have to be cynical and question everything. After all, who is the great deceiver? But at the same time we have this absolute faith. Words on the page or words memorized in the mind cannot do Justice to the feeling, the intuition, the knowledge of God and Jesus speaking to us through being connected. Amen. All I know is I am at peace and thirsty for knowledge and truth.
Beautifully said, Paul. I think that all three of these strands--Charles, Clif, the Course--are not exclusive of the others. From my interpretation of the Course, we (the part of us in our right mind, and maybe 'right' as not-left) is writing the script for how we resolve the conflict and emerge from the dream. There's nothing too woo-woo: if we can imagine it, we can manifest it. Maybe what Clif is saying is the next story, as one of Charles' audience members asked. I'm eager to learn more.
And thank you for your statement from the heart. That means a lot to me, especially coming from someone as broad-minded as you, able to hold contradictions and paradox in mind without needing to 'solve' them. That's a great skill.
A big YES to Terez syndrome! I’m going to practice it today!
YOU are fantastic at having such a width and depth of interests and topics and I read every one of your posts. I appreciate how you stretch my brain and encourage me to think AND encourage me to be a better person. Thank you for what you bring to the world and to the space between the stories.
Haha! I forgot to mention that in my summary, so I'm happy to have that little Easter egg for watchers ;-) Thank you for your kind words, marta!
I will be watching! I'm no 5 who listens to Clif. For a long time now...connecting to the Course in Miracles!!! Read it many moons ago. Should be interesting!
Oh and I see that Kathleen in the next comment will be no. 6. So now I know that I'll get plenty of feedback on what I'm missing with him--which is certainly lots! That's so great that you have both references, I'm eager to hear your thoughts.
Re Clif, these recent podcasts are not indicative of his total body of work. Much more to his world view than is mentioned here. I find his brain fascinating.
Oh good, I'll look forward to seeing some that are more indicative. Send links when you have a chance.
My head is now spinning. Agree with you about Marianne Williamson. Used to love her when she was all about TCIM and I don't detect any alignment with it now. Love your explanations of infinity etc. Much to ponder. Might have to haul out TCIM again. 👏💕
Yes, Marianne's platform seems similar to Bernie Sanders in providing for people and making them dependent rather than enabling them to take responsibility for themselves. And she engages in a lot of "the world is ending" climate change and nuclear fear-inducement, which contradicts the Course since how can something that doesn't really exist be threatened? It's the two line summary: Nothing real can be threatened, nothing unreal exists. Therein lies the peace of God.
"Nothing real can be threatened, nothing unreal exists. Therein lies the peace of God." One of my favorite quotes. ❤️
What a feast, Tereza! I happened to listen to the Charles talk, and I follow Clif (and was a student of CIM) so I'm looking forward to listening to your take. The space between stories must be 'up' for many of us - I wrote a recent stack call 'The In-Between' as that's what I'm calling the place I've been residing in. (It doesn't have the same rules) Thanks will comment post listening again. (Love how you never shy away from 'BIG' topics.)
Oh that's so interesting that you have all three of those reference points! I'll look up your recent stack--I thought I was subbed but may have lost it when following Georgie&Donny's lead in a temporary purge/ pause. I'm very interested in your In-Between, which sounds like it might be similar to the space I've been feeling like I'm in.
ps I used to own the domain name BIGthinker.com. Not sure how I let that one get away from me ;-)