You mentioned sacrament. After everything that has been discovered about the church vs Jesus's teachings I find it so strange that most Christians, especially Catholics, put so much emphasis on taking communion. Can you imagine how they would feel if they realized that they celebrating child torture, andrenechrome consumption and cannibalism. The apocalypse needs to happen soon so these things can be revealed.
Thanks for reading, Specie. Rhonda has an interesting take on the unleavened bread of Communion, harking back to Exodus. She wonders if the exoskeletons of insects were being ground into the leavening, poisoning and sickening the population that was trying to drive the task(tax)masters out. I've been curious to follow up on the videos Rurik embeds on who Moses really was. The history he refers to is intriguing.
I have a radical theory about 'eat my body, drink my blood,' based on the potential that the zealots knew something we didn't. Maybe they knew this world wasn't real and that's why they were impervious to torture. When the Roman Empire placed Jerusalem under siege, it was to starve them out. Perhaps the leader, Judas the Nazarene, said, 'No problem' and killed himself to feed them. Then he resurrected and did it again.
Perhaps resurrection was inclusive and the story of Jesus made it one special person. I think the gospels may have been written to destroy the spiritual revolution that had kicked out the Roman Empire from Judea and was spreading like wildfire among all the colonies. That's one theory I entertain because I don't think the sacraments come out of nowhere.
Love the title of your piece. The irony reminds me of one of the titles of a Guyenot book I read and recommend, ""Our God is Your God Too, But He Has Chosen Us."
I was wanting to cite that in my essay but was remembering it as "Our God is Your God Too, but He Likes Us Better." A search on that got me all kinds of nonsense about 'God loves you but does he like you?' So I skipped it. Great title and thanks for reading!
I’m playing music for Palm Sunday and Holy Week and Easter services and your articles are bringing a whole new light to the affair. It’s been many years of distaste of how the high point in the Christian year is celebrating the gruesome death and magical resurrection. And now that it all might be a myth to support empire. Blah, even harder to take.
But I enjoy playing the organ and making music and there is a seed of something powerful in church music for me.
That guy Rurik sounds like a piece of work and I plan to stay far away from him.
Oh marta, I'm so happy to have you in my life. All those years of 'holy week' and stations of the cross and the passion story that incited so many pogroms. And I could never have imagined I'd have an ally playing the organ, someone smart and perceptive who wanted to know the truth. But like everything else, I'm sure what makes some of that music so powerful and moving is usurped from somewhere else. Beauty never really serves empire.
Tereza, your gifts at welcoming and connecting people are top notch, par extraordinaire! I admire how you cultivate relationships, even through the internet!
I feel that the Energy of Music is so much bigger than the church, than a story, than misdirections and lies. The Energy of Music and our intentions connect in a bigger story of Creativity and Creation and the Cosmos, in breath and energy and sound and creativity. Lately I've been asking to connect to the essence of the music, even if I'm playing a hymn with words that just make me want to run away. It's amazing how that simple request can change everything for me.
One thing I don't understand is why people still feel called to the same story, the same need to "confess" and "atone", that people believe we are "sinners". If the Age of Aquarius is a real thing, its time for these practices to die out. It's a bit like religious freeze mode - just doing it because it's what's been done for so long, because doing the same thing is easier on the nervous system than questioning or changing. What do you think? Why are people still attracted to these religions?
Thank you for that kind compliment, marta. And yes! on the Energy of Music. It's like the stained glass windows that show often horrific scenes (especially those Stations of the Cross! or lives of the martyrs) but are done in colors of light that produce feelings of awe and holiness. I know there's particular chord progressions used in hymns that do the same.
When I first entered Catholic grade school, back in the Dark Ages, we had to attend daily mass. I took to going to confession every time because it gave me something to do. One time I fainted and that gave me an excuse to get up and go outside anytime I wanted, which was mostly. In HS, I'd go to the library instead and pick up a newsletter on my way back to show I'd been there.
As an adult taking my mom to church when I'd visit, I found it useful to translate the hymns and readings. So I look at atone and see atOne. I'd change praise of Jesus into praise of the Christ, which meant all of us. I translate sin as Seeing INferiority. It kept my mind busy and not resentful.
I think that what we resonate with in the story of Jesus is the idea of a wise and kind teacher who stood up for the common people and willingly died under the most extreme torture in order to bring about a better world. That story's true, but his name was Judas or Zadok/ Saduc or any of the other rebels against Rome.
What's blowing my mind from this post is learning from Wikipedia that the original word for Judaism meant siding with Judea in her rebellion against Hellenic Rome! So that's been completely flipped. But inside Judaism is still that kernel of truth of standing with the victim against the empire. That's what's been turned into its opposite--our love is being used against us. Thanks again for your deep thoughts!
I actually did cover the Yahweh = Set connection. I have a whole series of articles on metaphysics where I get pretty deep into all of this. It is all under the Metaphysical Marcion section.
BTW, your "friend" has no sense of humor and it was pure slander to claim I was discrediting Guyenot with my interviews. I am on good terms with Laurent and promote his work whole-heartedly. If he felt that way, he wouldnt come on my podcast. Fuck that bitch and her so-called intuition. I thought I was arguing with a gay man who was attacking my work, how was I supposed to know it was just some dumb, nagging shrew?
My work and the ideas I raise are so intriguing and so resonant that even ppl who hate my writing style and worldview can't help but engage with them. I enjoy the feelings that I invoke in these people and the discomfort I cause in their cozy, self-serving worldviews.
Tereza, you said you didnt know what my beliefs were so let me explain: Marcionism + Gnosticism + Nationalism is close enough to explain my worldview. Also, feel free to resub, you don't belong on a fat pyre! (That is a joke). I give fellow writers who like my work a free paid sub if they want it. Let me know.
Rurik! So happy that Julius and Jasun's brother-in-law Guy introduced me to your work. The ideas you raise are intriguing as hell. And you do a great interview.
I take responsibility for misleading Rhonda by referring her to your last interview with Laurent without hearing the others, where you delve into his books. She had already been bringing his insights and knowledge to my comment threads so had a strong background in his research. You clearly respect Laurent and speak to him as an equal. But if Rhonda's intuition was how she would be received in your comment thread, I'm not sure you've proven her wrong.
And it turns out that CFB is a guy, not a shrew, from his reply here. Calling your statement 'racist BS' particularly surprised me when I thought it was coming from a woman. What name do you use for insult-hurling straight men? My objection to name-calling (on either side) isn't from being thin-skinned but because it 'goes soft' on challenging the ideas. It diverts the argument into who's more clever, not who's right.
It also limits the 'parameters of the possible,' as you put it, on metaphysical reality. The prerequisite to superiority is the separate, flesh-encapsulated mind. You and I agree that one Creator God who's good is, not just limiting, but a logical impossibility as shown by the Theodicy Triangle. I refer to that theory of reality as God the Monster. Then there's evolution or bootstrapping ourselves into existence on chaos and monkey genes.
Your theory (going off Marcion, so correct me if I'm wrong) is that there's an evil God/ Yahweh or demiurge and a good God who didn't create the world but is the one Jesus refers to as his father. That's possible. Another hypothesis is that the world exists in our single Mind rather than our minds existing in the world. It's the only way an all-good and all-powerful God is logically possible. Not a belief system but something that fits all the data points of explaining phenomenon and should be considered.
I was glad to see your connection of Yahweh to Set. That was a breakthrough for me! What I didn't know is if you connected Set to Seth of Genesis, who inherits the right to rule the world after he's smeared Cain with killing Abel (Baal?) Set is even spelled Seth in some versions.
Thanks for saving me from the pyre and inviting me into the Rurik stalker wolf pack! I would love that!
Thanks for popping by Rurik. I’ll be honest and tell you that I have a policy of not committing to PAID subscriptions anywhere (I just wouldn’t know where to start) but your channel is the closest I have come to pressing that button. I know from your previous rants that your ‘insults’ to us freelancing stalkers is just a friendly “DARE YA – to subscribe and learn stuff”, so I could not help chuckling. You have explained yourself very well.
Nevertheless, nice to be able to compliment you on your channel here as I do not have access to express my appreciation via your own (subscribers-only) Comments section.
I’ve been interstate and offline for four days (I don’t even own a ‘smart device’) and I am just catching up on interesting notifications, so you may not insult me – just ask how my ailing Mum is coming along.
Aaaww! Much better than when I first arrived to visit her, thanks.
In passing, I happen to be reading “Universal Philosophy” by Jacqueline Berger at the moment. I hope to be able to make a Book Mention of it in the near future as it seems to fit right into the theme of this current topic.
That's quite alright Rurik. No need for a comp sub. I am at the very bottom of the learning curve. The inability to comment is but a trifle and I get enough from what you make available publicly. I am gleaning that Marcion was on the right track (separating the Yahvik doctrine of Hate from the New Testament) and agree with Laurent that we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Maybe we need to keep John (especially 8:44) and dispense with the Acts of the Apostles that celebrate Jahweh [sic].
Just to give better context. I didn't like the anti-jewish generalization and the eurocentric hypocrisy. He's a smart man, I think he got it. He even considers being called wrong worse than being called racist after all.
Haha! I should have known that any name with fart in it would be a guy--now you can really sic the woke police on me. No, forget that. If you're actually Greek, that counts as white so you're the only unprotected category in the world. You're on your own!
When I made the video, I quoted your exchange but didn't add the last part. Then I woke up this morning wondering if I'd been unfair to him when those slurs were clearly to make a point. By the time I finished reading both essays, particularly the bloodthirsty priestesses and doomed chthonic matriarchy and "simply observable fact in our own time, that whenever women gain political power, they like to make the men bleed," I was ready to take the benefit of the doubt back.
I have your articles open in some tabs that I'll post here for others. I think there are some good clues in there about what was really going on:
I'm allowed to be anything I might claim these days, and my confusing profile might help offer protection. The Greek name btw is a wordplay on "Ode to Cassandra", as ode in Greek sounds very similar to the word for fart, and was first used as a song title. Farting in Greek is also used as slang for ignoring.
Didn't check the video (yet), just read your main text. No big deal anyway and thanks for linking my posts.
this was fun to listen to and i did smile with rurik's cant. i've also subscribed after listening to him and jasun and haven't actually gone into his posts since then — busy with other stuff — so didn't read that. we humans are often complex inter-leavings of stuff. and my own spidey-sense twinkled a little at the beginning of the jasun-rurik talk because of the protectiveness i felt from rurik, that jasun was there to take something from him and that rurik needed to organise/prepare himself for the exchange. at the same time, i love rurik's research and so... babies and bathwaters, and all that.
now to get back to my current essay — i'm behind again. this time following up on 'superstition'. once again, thank you for the suggestion! love it.
and thank you for more deconstruction of the bible. (looking forward to you tying in clif high's elohim to the whole thing!)
Thanks for listening, Guy. I also caught that at the beginning of Jasun's interview. Babies and bathwater is a good analogy, I have learned a lot from him. Looking forward to your essay.
Librarian found this YouTube video explaining the Old Testament, anti-semitism and the Torah/Bible in a quick 10 minute video (I can't believe it's still up) and added it to the end of her article. Explains a lot, especially why there's numerous versions of the Old Testament/Bible/Torah/Talmud (some are simply "handed down" versions), not to mention all the "boarder" disputes as to who is from/owns what lands.
I didn't realize she (unless I'm misgendering again) is also talking about Guyenot! It's like meeting someone and then running into them three more times that same week.
Nope, not my impression. Nothing to do with Guyenot. I was simply trying to find an entry point into this comment section with something worth sharing that would add to the overall "who's God is who"s"? The first time I saw the video I laughed my ass off at all the hypocrisy of it all. Everyone wanted to be "in charge", but powers come and powers go due to the normal course of human behavior (USA and Israel will some day see their own demise due to their current actions I believe).
I just watched it, excellent explanation. I'm going to embed it in a draft I'd started on What is a Jew? Thanks so much! More than enough as an entry point. And agreed about LMAO. Really well done.
But if you look at the subtitle of that post of Librarian's, it says "This is not about Anti-System, nor claiming Judaism is anti-system, but just a background for LAURENT GUYÉNOT 's article in the previous post #4." So now I need to go back and check out the previous post!
In that stack she's heading over to "enthnogenesis theory". The theory points out that all the energy levels in the rise and fall of an ethnic power center are happening right now, with some different group, and somewhere on the planet.
I'm trying to understand the state of "Human energy" right now and why it appears to tipping to the negative when we (in my opinion) should be heading into/toward the positive.
Your articles are doing a great job of explaining how we got here and how do we level set/fess up/truth up and move on. Great stuff and thank you.
Your commenters are a group of seriously "heavy hitters" (yourself included) and I'm still in the "farm league" at this point, but your welcoming touch allows all waters to rise over time.
Very kind of you, Greg. On whynotthink, if I took out the www it worked but not before. Those tabs are great! I didn't know you could do that on Substack. It's been my biggest complaint that I couldn't organize by topic, but clearly I haven't done enough research. Thank you for that! And her Anti-System posts are my favorite. Right up my ideology!
He's here in the comment thread, waylay away! Very interesting question, is there more background to indicate that Plato wasn't a historical person or his writings were fabricated at another time?
The earliest physical manuscripts of Plato date to the 9th century AD.
> Very interesting question, is there more background to indicate that Plato wasn't a historical person or his writings were fabricated at another time?
Well, Rurik is a follower of Fomenko's new chronology, so he thinks all of Roman history is fabricated.
Then again Rurik's arguments tend to be on the level of "Samson is clearly a copy of Heracles since they were both strong guys who fought lions, even though the circumstances and the rest of their stories were very different" or "David is a copy of Alexander since they were both kings, nevermind that Alexander was a conqueror and David spent most of his reign dealing with rebellions and usurpers".
I've gotten Guyenot's Anno Domini but haven't cracked it open. Is his data coming from Fomenko, do you know? My knowledge that was even a theory is one week old, so I'm just catching up and have no idea what my position is on it. Eager to follow the clues, though, and see where they lead. It was curious to find, on another site, that Latin is an invention with no earlier root language. And it's interesting that the early Judeans (who may have no relationship to modern day Jews) were anti-Hellenic when it was the Roman Empire presumably colonizing them. Hellenic is Greece, which wasn't dominating them. And that led me to wonder about Helen of Troy and whether that was like my theory of the Bible, that all named women represent territories. So much to think about!
After the siege of Jerusalem, when Judea was defeated, every member of it was killed immediately, tortured later, or sold into slavery in an auction that lasted for days. Afterwards, Judea became a Roman province with a different name where Judeans weren't allowed. At least that's what I've read. So if they were dispersed as slaves throughout the Roman Empire, how could genetic testing show they were the same people who revolted and managed to survive the ensuing carnage?
Hellenic is synonymous with Greek, from some definitions, or is an era of Greece. So what does it mean to say "The Eastern half of the Roman Empire, and its elite" were heavily Greek? Doesn't that indicate a reversal of which was the controlling empire and which was subservient?
There was a large Jewish diaspora long before the siege.
> Doesn't that indicate a reversal of which was the controlling empire and which was subservient?
"Hellenic" here is used to mean Greek culture. Conquerors adopting the culture of those they conquered especially if that culture was more sophisticated is a common these throughout history. Or as the Roman poet Horace put it: "Captive Greece took captive her savage conqueror and brought the arts to rustic Latium."
And on your other point, I think it's even sneakier. The Bible's purpose is to get the masses to subjugate each other. One tier of the pyramid on top of the other, so all that's left for those at the top is to flip the levers of a well-oiled machine. One-finger subjugation.
It looks like this guy, Rurik is getting quite a few things right. His attitude is a bit unfortunate.
Religion has been a psyop to instill obedience to an unnatural type of Hierarchy.
I'm always very impressed with your way of deconstruction on the Bible. It seems that very similar experiences took place in Ancient Egypt. As an example; Akenaten was likely trying to undo the Temple of Amoyn, by breaking away from the Temple, he was trying to get rid of the power of the Priest. These Priest were the ones who Ruled from behind the Throne. They controlled the grain allocation and had a strangle hold on the king. In the process of the Temple becoming powerful, similar psychological manipulation was in play. I think the Bible illustrates the same types of psyop for gaining control of the populations it was pushed on. I'll continue to study your breakdown of all this, it is quite interesting.
It makes me appreciate all the more getting to sort things out with you and others, who bring the insight and research minus the attitude. Yes, there are some very interesting things that Rurik is paying attention to. I've been listening to one of his linked videos on Moses, which is 3.5 hrs long but full of apt comparisons between the Biblical stories and Greek and Egyptian: https://youtu.be/KjBx7KgsJxg?si=dAS5bXGYwqqFoT0k.
One of the most interesting is about a colony of lepers in Egypt who then partnered with the Hyksos to invade and ruled for 10 yrs in a particularly cruel way. I'm not sure if I have the details straight, I wasn't taking notes. I wonder if that coincides with the Seth-named rulers.
And there's a pharaoh who was a hero to his people who drove them out. From all the similarities of the stories, there's no doubt the Torah was first written in Greek after 70 CE and more likely the 3rd century in Alexandria, as Rurik says.
It was like every story was recycled and made to serve the purpose of one dynasty of usurpers. That seems to be the common thread. The Flavians fit the profile.
How sweet to get a note from you, Pasheen! I've been following your travails with the 'special needs furkids.' I don't know how you keep your head above water but I'm proud to have you in my posse.
Beautiful article thank you for sharing. I'm free subbing now and look forward to going over your other content. As said to both you and Frances on her stack I think you should totally do a podcast with Rurik!
Thanks for subbing me, Chunky Monkey! I only do free subs so your attention is the only gift I accept. I did have a very civil conversation with Rurik in this comment thread. He's very funny, although his blunt style takes some getting used to. I haven't set up podcasts on my own show, but I might in the new year. But I'd be happy to talk with Rurik on his at any time, especially if it included Laurent--who is subbing me also! I might try to set that up on Kevin Barrett's show also.
You are such a kind soul. It's upset how nasty Frances was and her behaviour toward me was completely unnecessary abd uncalled for just see her follow up comments. I think when your claiming to spread the truth and then essentially trying to censor and smear someone just for having a different opinion you're no better than the people you claim to be against. I asked for a discussion but also gave the option of me upsubbing and she asked me to unsub and stop commenting so I granted her that request. But something must be up with her to get like that. If you're her friend please help her. Like you implied we are all on the side.
Thank you, CM. It's funny, I was just talking to a friend who said, "You know whose bad side I don't ever want to get on?" And I immediately said, "Frances."
My motto is 'Love the person, challenge the ideas.' I find that women are good at the first but bad at the second. Men typically the reverse. Frances, however, is the exception to that rule. But I find her masculine style refreshing, I have to say. If you want to see someone who really substitutes insults for argument, read the comment thread of my latest: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/bitcoin-vs-the-caret.
It seemed to me that her ire was directed at Rurik, not you, and was specific in what she objected to. First, going by a fake name. It certainly makes someone less credible, don't you think? Frances is more controversial than Rurik and has the courage to use her own name. I would claim that for me too. But at least Rurik's is clearly fake, unlike 'John Carter' and 'Sage Hana'.
Bad-tempered is amply proven in the quotes I've given, even at his non-paid subs. Can you really take offense at Frances but say that this is all in good fun? Insults and the clever putdown are Rurik's stock-in-trade, along with that particular bubble of manosphere.
You wouldn't dispute that Rurik is a misogynist, right? It's part of his schtik that I quoted in this piece. In his comment on these two critics, he wrote, "Fuck that bitch and her so-called intuition. I thought I was arguing with a gay man who was attacking my work, how was I supposed to know it was just some dumb, nagging shrew?" It does turn out that 'Cassandra Farts Back' is a guy, btw, but Rurik's choice of insults is characteristic for him and 'John'.
So that leaves propagandist, the primary reason Frances objects to Rurik being quoted. By attacking Putin as complicit with One World Gov't, while posing as an anonymous Russian resident, Rurik is absolutely giving a message that the neo-cons would like to promote. How could it be otherwise? Russia/ Iran/ China pose the only possible threat to their power.
That doesn't mean Rurik is wrong or fake, just that we know nothing about him other than what he reveals. If Putin really is trying to bring about a world that isn't ruled by oligarchs, having a so-called dissident like Rurik denounce him from an insider perspective serves the oligarchs. It's what I'd do if I were one of them.
The scope of your knowledge is wondrous. Your analysis is thoughtful and provocative. The span and breadth of your focus is magnificent to behold though humbling for me to even attempt to perceive. I could wish I had a printer to put it all to paper to study, to read and reread. I could take notes and write the questions and perceptions of my own that arise, and they do arise when I read your work. Perhaps time will allow for such an event to happen. For even now my Toynbee remains an unfinished read. Ah yes, his is another with a ubiquitous lense that is wondrous to behold. Until then, I have but to remain in awe of your words upon a screen. Keep going and go you!
For this particular article, one provocation arose in me, perhaps in defense of my perceptions. Who wrote the Bible? Jeremiah 8:8 indicates an answer. Though most interpretations extol the lying hand of scribes. There is another that might say the errant hand of a humble scribe.
Hi Tereza,
I'm glad you went there.
You mentioned sacrament. After everything that has been discovered about the church vs Jesus's teachings I find it so strange that most Christians, especially Catholics, put so much emphasis on taking communion. Can you imagine how they would feel if they realized that they celebrating child torture, andrenechrome consumption and cannibalism. The apocalypse needs to happen soon so these things can be revealed.
Thanks for reading, Specie. Rhonda has an interesting take on the unleavened bread of Communion, harking back to Exodus. She wonders if the exoskeletons of insects were being ground into the leavening, poisoning and sickening the population that was trying to drive the task(tax)masters out. I've been curious to follow up on the videos Rurik embeds on who Moses really was. The history he refers to is intriguing.
I have a radical theory about 'eat my body, drink my blood,' based on the potential that the zealots knew something we didn't. Maybe they knew this world wasn't real and that's why they were impervious to torture. When the Roman Empire placed Jerusalem under siege, it was to starve them out. Perhaps the leader, Judas the Nazarene, said, 'No problem' and killed himself to feed them. Then he resurrected and did it again.
Perhaps resurrection was inclusive and the story of Jesus made it one special person. I think the gospels may have been written to destroy the spiritual revolution that had kicked out the Roman Empire from Judea and was spreading like wildfire among all the colonies. That's one theory I entertain because I don't think the sacraments come out of nowhere.
Think transubstantiation is a world apart (indeed otherworldly). What you're referring to is the opposite of holy.
Anyway, I'm lapsed catholic :-)
Love the title of your piece. The irony reminds me of one of the titles of a Guyenot book I read and recommend, ""Our God is Your God Too, But He Has Chosen Us."
I was wanting to cite that in my essay but was remembering it as "Our God is Your God Too, but He Likes Us Better." A search on that got me all kinds of nonsense about 'God loves you but does he like you?' So I skipped it. Great title and thanks for reading!
I’m playing music for Palm Sunday and Holy Week and Easter services and your articles are bringing a whole new light to the affair. It’s been many years of distaste of how the high point in the Christian year is celebrating the gruesome death and magical resurrection. And now that it all might be a myth to support empire. Blah, even harder to take.
But I enjoy playing the organ and making music and there is a seed of something powerful in church music for me.
That guy Rurik sounds like a piece of work and I plan to stay far away from him.
Oh marta, I'm so happy to have you in my life. All those years of 'holy week' and stations of the cross and the passion story that incited so many pogroms. And I could never have imagined I'd have an ally playing the organ, someone smart and perceptive who wanted to know the truth. But like everything else, I'm sure what makes some of that music so powerful and moving is usurped from somewhere else. Beauty never really serves empire.
Tereza, your gifts at welcoming and connecting people are top notch, par extraordinaire! I admire how you cultivate relationships, even through the internet!
I feel that the Energy of Music is so much bigger than the church, than a story, than misdirections and lies. The Energy of Music and our intentions connect in a bigger story of Creativity and Creation and the Cosmos, in breath and energy and sound and creativity. Lately I've been asking to connect to the essence of the music, even if I'm playing a hymn with words that just make me want to run away. It's amazing how that simple request can change everything for me.
One thing I don't understand is why people still feel called to the same story, the same need to "confess" and "atone", that people believe we are "sinners". If the Age of Aquarius is a real thing, its time for these practices to die out. It's a bit like religious freeze mode - just doing it because it's what's been done for so long, because doing the same thing is easier on the nervous system than questioning or changing. What do you think? Why are people still attracted to these religions?
Thank you for that kind compliment, marta. And yes! on the Energy of Music. It's like the stained glass windows that show often horrific scenes (especially those Stations of the Cross! or lives of the martyrs) but are done in colors of light that produce feelings of awe and holiness. I know there's particular chord progressions used in hymns that do the same.
When I first entered Catholic grade school, back in the Dark Ages, we had to attend daily mass. I took to going to confession every time because it gave me something to do. One time I fainted and that gave me an excuse to get up and go outside anytime I wanted, which was mostly. In HS, I'd go to the library instead and pick up a newsletter on my way back to show I'd been there.
As an adult taking my mom to church when I'd visit, I found it useful to translate the hymns and readings. So I look at atone and see atOne. I'd change praise of Jesus into praise of the Christ, which meant all of us. I translate sin as Seeing INferiority. It kept my mind busy and not resentful.
I think that what we resonate with in the story of Jesus is the idea of a wise and kind teacher who stood up for the common people and willingly died under the most extreme torture in order to bring about a better world. That story's true, but his name was Judas or Zadok/ Saduc or any of the other rebels against Rome.
What's blowing my mind from this post is learning from Wikipedia that the original word for Judaism meant siding with Judea in her rebellion against Hellenic Rome! So that's been completely flipped. But inside Judaism is still that kernel of truth of standing with the victim against the empire. That's what's been turned into its opposite--our love is being used against us. Thanks again for your deep thoughts!
Thanks for the links to my work, Tereza!
I actually did cover the Yahweh = Set connection. I have a whole series of articles on metaphysics where I get pretty deep into all of this. It is all under the Metaphysical Marcion section.
BTW, your "friend" has no sense of humor and it was pure slander to claim I was discrediting Guyenot with my interviews. I am on good terms with Laurent and promote his work whole-heartedly. If he felt that way, he wouldnt come on my podcast. Fuck that bitch and her so-called intuition. I thought I was arguing with a gay man who was attacking my work, how was I supposed to know it was just some dumb, nagging shrew?
My work and the ideas I raise are so intriguing and so resonant that even ppl who hate my writing style and worldview can't help but engage with them. I enjoy the feelings that I invoke in these people and the discomfort I cause in their cozy, self-serving worldviews.
Tereza, you said you didnt know what my beliefs were so let me explain: Marcionism + Gnosticism + Nationalism is close enough to explain my worldview. Also, feel free to resub, you don't belong on a fat pyre! (That is a joke). I give fellow writers who like my work a free paid sub if they want it. Let me know.
Rurik! So happy that Julius and Jasun's brother-in-law Guy introduced me to your work. The ideas you raise are intriguing as hell. And you do a great interview.
I take responsibility for misleading Rhonda by referring her to your last interview with Laurent without hearing the others, where you delve into his books. She had already been bringing his insights and knowledge to my comment threads so had a strong background in his research. You clearly respect Laurent and speak to him as an equal. But if Rhonda's intuition was how she would be received in your comment thread, I'm not sure you've proven her wrong.
And it turns out that CFB is a guy, not a shrew, from his reply here. Calling your statement 'racist BS' particularly surprised me when I thought it was coming from a woman. What name do you use for insult-hurling straight men? My objection to name-calling (on either side) isn't from being thin-skinned but because it 'goes soft' on challenging the ideas. It diverts the argument into who's more clever, not who's right.
It also limits the 'parameters of the possible,' as you put it, on metaphysical reality. The prerequisite to superiority is the separate, flesh-encapsulated mind. You and I agree that one Creator God who's good is, not just limiting, but a logical impossibility as shown by the Theodicy Triangle. I refer to that theory of reality as God the Monster. Then there's evolution or bootstrapping ourselves into existence on chaos and monkey genes.
Your theory (going off Marcion, so correct me if I'm wrong) is that there's an evil God/ Yahweh or demiurge and a good God who didn't create the world but is the one Jesus refers to as his father. That's possible. Another hypothesis is that the world exists in our single Mind rather than our minds existing in the world. It's the only way an all-good and all-powerful God is logically possible. Not a belief system but something that fits all the data points of explaining phenomenon and should be considered.
I was glad to see your connection of Yahweh to Set. That was a breakthrough for me! What I didn't know is if you connected Set to Seth of Genesis, who inherits the right to rule the world after he's smeared Cain with killing Abel (Baal?) Set is even spelled Seth in some versions.
Thanks for saving me from the pyre and inviting me into the Rurik stalker wolf pack! I would love that!
Thanks for popping by Rurik. I’ll be honest and tell you that I have a policy of not committing to PAID subscriptions anywhere (I just wouldn’t know where to start) but your channel is the closest I have come to pressing that button. I know from your previous rants that your ‘insults’ to us freelancing stalkers is just a friendly “DARE YA – to subscribe and learn stuff”, so I could not help chuckling. You have explained yourself very well.
Nevertheless, nice to be able to compliment you on your channel here as I do not have access to express my appreciation via your own (subscribers-only) Comments section.
I’ve been interstate and offline for four days (I don’t even own a ‘smart device’) and I am just catching up on interesting notifications, so you may not insult me – just ask how my ailing Mum is coming along.
Aaaww! Much better than when I first arrived to visit her, thanks.
In passing, I happen to be reading “Universal Philosophy” by Jacqueline Berger at the moment. I hope to be able to make a Book Mention of it in the near future as it seems to fit right into the theme of this current topic.
(Greetings and thanks Tereza.)
No worries, you’re shared my stuff and for that I’m thankful. Let me know if you want a comp paid sub.
That's quite alright Rurik. No need for a comp sub. I am at the very bottom of the learning curve. The inability to comment is but a trifle and I get enough from what you make available publicly. I am gleaning that Marcion was on the right track (separating the Yahvik doctrine of Hate from the New Testament) and agree with Laurent that we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Maybe we need to keep John (especially 8:44) and dispense with the Acts of the Apostles that celebrate Jahweh [sic].
As a "he", I feel microaggressed and misgendered. Calling the woke police:)
On a somewhat more important note, I actually replied: for the quote and his "Christianity is a psyop against Europeans", like north Africa and parts of Asia weren't also initially affected, before much of the world as well. https://open.substack.com/pub/nefahotep/p/origin-of-the-term-nazi-an-etymological?r=3avvdp&utm_campaign=comment-list-share-cta&utm_medium=web&comments=true&commentId=52260296
Just to give better context. I didn't like the anti-jewish generalization and the eurocentric hypocrisy. He's a smart man, I think he got it. He even considers being called wrong worse than being called racist after all.
Haha! I should have known that any name with fart in it would be a guy--now you can really sic the woke police on me. No, forget that. If you're actually Greek, that counts as white so you're the only unprotected category in the world. You're on your own!
When I made the video, I quoted your exchange but didn't add the last part. Then I woke up this morning wondering if I'd been unfair to him when those slurs were clearly to make a point. By the time I finished reading both essays, particularly the bloodthirsty priestesses and doomed chthonic matriarchy and "simply observable fact in our own time, that whenever women gain political power, they like to make the men bleed," I was ready to take the benefit of the doubt back.
I have your articles open in some tabs that I'll post here for others. I think there are some good clues in there about what was really going on:
https://cassandrafartsback.substack.com/p/from-seleucid-judea-to-imperial-roman
https://cassandrafartsback.substack.com/p/the-sparta-youve-never-heard-about-a26
Thank you for reading and commenting back, CFB.
I'm allowed to be anything I might claim these days, and my confusing profile might help offer protection. The Greek name btw is a wordplay on "Ode to Cassandra", as ode in Greek sounds very similar to the word for fart, and was first used as a song title. Farting in Greek is also used as slang for ignoring.
Didn't check the video (yet), just read your main text. No big deal anyway and thanks for linking my posts.
hola, tereza.
this was fun to listen to and i did smile with rurik's cant. i've also subscribed after listening to him and jasun and haven't actually gone into his posts since then — busy with other stuff — so didn't read that. we humans are often complex inter-leavings of stuff. and my own spidey-sense twinkled a little at the beginning of the jasun-rurik talk because of the protectiveness i felt from rurik, that jasun was there to take something from him and that rurik needed to organise/prepare himself for the exchange. at the same time, i love rurik's research and so... babies and bathwaters, and all that.
now to get back to my current essay — i'm behind again. this time following up on 'superstition'. once again, thank you for the suggestion! love it.
and thank you for more deconstruction of the bible. (looking forward to you tying in clif high's elohim to the whole thing!)
Thanks for listening, Guy. I also caught that at the beginning of Jasun's interview. Babies and bathwater is a good analogy, I have learned a lot from him. Looking forward to your essay.
> I’ve been known to shamelessly waylay women rabbis at The Jesus Seminars and try to pin down the earliest carbon-dated texts of the Torah.
While you're at it, try waylaying Rurik and asking him to pin down the earliest carbon-dated texts of Plato.
Librarian found this YouTube video explaining the Old Testament, anti-semitism and the Torah/Bible in a quick 10 minute video (I can't believe it's still up) and added it to the end of her article. Explains a lot, especially why there's numerous versions of the Old Testament/Bible/Torah/Talmud (some are simply "handed down" versions), not to mention all the "boarder" disputes as to who is from/owns what lands.
https://library4conciliation.substack.com/p/5-did-you-see-larry-jonsons-post
I didn't realize she (unless I'm misgendering again) is also talking about Guyenot! It's like meeting someone and then running into them three more times that same week.
I just finished watching one that Rurik had on his stack. It's 3.5 hrs but is packed with info: The Truth about Moses: https://youtu.be/KjBx7KgsJxg?si=c4tEYjwHsnD6jUe3.
Nope, not my impression. Nothing to do with Guyenot. I was simply trying to find an entry point into this comment section with something worth sharing that would add to the overall "who's God is who"s"? The first time I saw the video I laughed my ass off at all the hypocrisy of it all. Everyone wanted to be "in charge", but powers come and powers go due to the normal course of human behavior (USA and Israel will some day see their own demise due to their current actions I believe).
https://youtu.be/sycii9j6wzs
I just watched it, excellent explanation. I'm going to embed it in a draft I'd started on What is a Jew? Thanks so much! More than enough as an entry point. And agreed about LMAO. Really well done.
But if you look at the subtitle of that post of Librarian's, it says "This is not about Anti-System, nor claiming Judaism is anti-system, but just a background for LAURENT GUYÉNOT 's article in the previous post #4." So now I need to go back and check out the previous post!
You are correct about post #4:
"I just read this GUYÉNOT article on UNZ."
As a side note, I like the way she lines up her writings with the Tabs along the top, one of them is in fact called anti-system.
https://library4conciliation.substack.com/p/3-anti-system
That's where I found her article as it all stemmed from Matt Ehret's post where she commented on Khazaria:
6. The 'Judaic-Christian tradition' and 'common values of the monotheistic religions'
In reading in that section she then referenced me over to www.whynotthink.substack.com
as she's one of the writers/authors.
In that stack she's heading over to "enthnogenesis theory". The theory points out that all the energy levels in the rise and fall of an ethnic power center are happening right now, with some different group, and somewhere on the planet.
I'm trying to understand the state of "Human energy" right now and why it appears to tipping to the negative when we (in my opinion) should be heading into/toward the positive.
Your articles are doing a great job of explaining how we got here and how do we level set/fess up/truth up and move on. Great stuff and thank you.
Your commenters are a group of seriously "heavy hitters" (yourself included) and I'm still in the "farm league" at this point, but your welcoming touch allows all waters to rise over time.
Best
Very kind of you, Greg. On whynotthink, if I took out the www it worked but not before. Those tabs are great! I didn't know you could do that on Substack. It's been my biggest complaint that I couldn't organize by topic, but clearly I haven't done enough research. Thank you for that! And her Anti-System posts are my favorite. Right up my ideology!
He's here in the comment thread, waylay away! Very interesting question, is there more background to indicate that Plato wasn't a historical person or his writings were fabricated at another time?
The earliest physical manuscripts of Plato date to the 9th century AD.
> Very interesting question, is there more background to indicate that Plato wasn't a historical person or his writings were fabricated at another time?
Well, Rurik is a follower of Fomenko's new chronology, so he thinks all of Roman history is fabricated.
Then again Rurik's arguments tend to be on the level of "Samson is clearly a copy of Heracles since they were both strong guys who fought lions, even though the circumstances and the rest of their stories were very different" or "David is a copy of Alexander since they were both kings, nevermind that Alexander was a conqueror and David spent most of his reign dealing with rebellions and usurpers".
Another major clue, thank you for that!
I've gotten Guyenot's Anno Domini but haven't cracked it open. Is his data coming from Fomenko, do you know? My knowledge that was even a theory is one week old, so I'm just catching up and have no idea what my position is on it. Eager to follow the clues, though, and see where they lead. It was curious to find, on another site, that Latin is an invention with no earlier root language. And it's interesting that the early Judeans (who may have no relationship to modern day Jews) were anti-Hellenic when it was the Roman Empire presumably colonizing them. Hellenic is Greece, which wasn't dominating them. And that led me to wonder about Helen of Troy and whether that was like my theory of the Bible, that all named women represent territories. So much to think about!
> And it's interesting that the early Judeans (who may have no relationship to modern day Jews)
Genetic testing shows they do.
> were anti-Hellenic when it was the Roman Empire presumably colonizing them.
The Eastern half of the Roman Empire, and its elite, where heavily Hellenized.
After the siege of Jerusalem, when Judea was defeated, every member of it was killed immediately, tortured later, or sold into slavery in an auction that lasted for days. Afterwards, Judea became a Roman province with a different name where Judeans weren't allowed. At least that's what I've read. So if they were dispersed as slaves throughout the Roman Empire, how could genetic testing show they were the same people who revolted and managed to survive the ensuing carnage?
Hellenic is synonymous with Greek, from some definitions, or is an era of Greece. So what does it mean to say "The Eastern half of the Roman Empire, and its elite" were heavily Greek? Doesn't that indicate a reversal of which was the controlling empire and which was subservient?
There was a large Jewish diaspora long before the siege.
> Doesn't that indicate a reversal of which was the controlling empire and which was subservient?
"Hellenic" here is used to mean Greek culture. Conquerors adopting the culture of those they conquered especially if that culture was more sophisticated is a common these throughout history. Or as the Roman poet Horace put it: "Captive Greece took captive her savage conqueror and brought the arts to rustic Latium."
As usual, you're asking all the right questions. I've always wondered if the Bible's real purpose was to subjugate the masses.
You also never disappoint -- this line made me laugh out loud: "I’m now looking for a fat pyre on which to immolate myself." 😂
And on your other point, I think it's even sneakier. The Bible's purpose is to get the masses to subjugate each other. One tier of the pyramid on top of the other, so all that's left for those at the top is to flip the levers of a well-oiled machine. One-finger subjugation.
You're right, that IS even sneakier. And far more effective.
But as you'll see in the comments, Rurik has said I definitely don't belong on a fat pyre. Whew! That was a close one. One match away ...
It looks like this guy, Rurik is getting quite a few things right. His attitude is a bit unfortunate.
Religion has been a psyop to instill obedience to an unnatural type of Hierarchy.
I'm always very impressed with your way of deconstruction on the Bible. It seems that very similar experiences took place in Ancient Egypt. As an example; Akenaten was likely trying to undo the Temple of Amoyn, by breaking away from the Temple, he was trying to get rid of the power of the Priest. These Priest were the ones who Ruled from behind the Throne. They controlled the grain allocation and had a strangle hold on the king. In the process of the Temple becoming powerful, similar psychological manipulation was in play. I think the Bible illustrates the same types of psyop for gaining control of the populations it was pushed on. I'll continue to study your breakdown of all this, it is quite interesting.
It makes me appreciate all the more getting to sort things out with you and others, who bring the insight and research minus the attitude. Yes, there are some very interesting things that Rurik is paying attention to. I've been listening to one of his linked videos on Moses, which is 3.5 hrs long but full of apt comparisons between the Biblical stories and Greek and Egyptian: https://youtu.be/KjBx7KgsJxg?si=dAS5bXGYwqqFoT0k.
One of the most interesting is about a colony of lepers in Egypt who then partnered with the Hyksos to invade and ruled for 10 yrs in a particularly cruel way. I'm not sure if I have the details straight, I wasn't taking notes. I wonder if that coincides with the Seth-named rulers.
And there's a pharaoh who was a hero to his people who drove them out. From all the similarities of the stories, there's no doubt the Torah was first written in Greek after 70 CE and more likely the 3rd century in Alexandria, as Rurik says.
It was like every story was recycled and made to serve the purpose of one dynasty of usurpers. That seems to be the common thread. The Flavians fit the profile.
such a great stack...I so look forward to digging in some more when time permits...thx, so interesting...
and I can almost hear Casandra farting...hysterical!
How sweet to get a note from you, Pasheen! I've been following your travails with the 'special needs furkids.' I don't know how you keep your head above water but I'm proud to have you in my posse.
Back at you...sweet girl! 💋
Beautiful article thank you for sharing. I'm free subbing now and look forward to going over your other content. As said to both you and Frances on her stack I think you should totally do a podcast with Rurik!
Thanks for subbing me, Chunky Monkey! I only do free subs so your attention is the only gift I accept. I did have a very civil conversation with Rurik in this comment thread. He's very funny, although his blunt style takes some getting used to. I haven't set up podcasts on my own show, but I might in the new year. But I'd be happy to talk with Rurik on his at any time, especially if it included Laurent--who is subbing me also! I might try to set that up on Kevin Barrett's show also.
You are such a kind soul. It's upset how nasty Frances was and her behaviour toward me was completely unnecessary abd uncalled for just see her follow up comments. I think when your claiming to spread the truth and then essentially trying to censor and smear someone just for having a different opinion you're no better than the people you claim to be against. I asked for a discussion but also gave the option of me upsubbing and she asked me to unsub and stop commenting so I granted her that request. But something must be up with her to get like that. If you're her friend please help her. Like you implied we are all on the side.
Thank you, CM. It's funny, I was just talking to a friend who said, "You know whose bad side I don't ever want to get on?" And I immediately said, "Frances."
My motto is 'Love the person, challenge the ideas.' I find that women are good at the first but bad at the second. Men typically the reverse. Frances, however, is the exception to that rule. But I find her masculine style refreshing, I have to say. If you want to see someone who really substitutes insults for argument, read the comment thread of my latest: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/bitcoin-vs-the-caret.
It seemed to me that her ire was directed at Rurik, not you, and was specific in what she objected to. First, going by a fake name. It certainly makes someone less credible, don't you think? Frances is more controversial than Rurik and has the courage to use her own name. I would claim that for me too. But at least Rurik's is clearly fake, unlike 'John Carter' and 'Sage Hana'.
Bad-tempered is amply proven in the quotes I've given, even at his non-paid subs. Can you really take offense at Frances but say that this is all in good fun? Insults and the clever putdown are Rurik's stock-in-trade, along with that particular bubble of manosphere.
You wouldn't dispute that Rurik is a misogynist, right? It's part of his schtik that I quoted in this piece. In his comment on these two critics, he wrote, "Fuck that bitch and her so-called intuition. I thought I was arguing with a gay man who was attacking my work, how was I supposed to know it was just some dumb, nagging shrew?" It does turn out that 'Cassandra Farts Back' is a guy, btw, but Rurik's choice of insults is characteristic for him and 'John'.
So that leaves propagandist, the primary reason Frances objects to Rurik being quoted. By attacking Putin as complicit with One World Gov't, while posing as an anonymous Russian resident, Rurik is absolutely giving a message that the neo-cons would like to promote. How could it be otherwise? Russia/ Iran/ China pose the only possible threat to their power.
That doesn't mean Rurik is wrong or fake, just that we know nothing about him other than what he reveals. If Putin really is trying to bring about a world that isn't ruled by oligarchs, having a so-called dissident like Rurik denounce him from an insider perspective serves the oligarchs. It's what I'd do if I were one of them.
Thereza
The scope of your knowledge is wondrous. Your analysis is thoughtful and provocative. The span and breadth of your focus is magnificent to behold though humbling for me to even attempt to perceive. I could wish I had a printer to put it all to paper to study, to read and reread. I could take notes and write the questions and perceptions of my own that arise, and they do arise when I read your work. Perhaps time will allow for such an event to happen. For even now my Toynbee remains an unfinished read. Ah yes, his is another with a ubiquitous lense that is wondrous to behold. Until then, I have but to remain in awe of your words upon a screen. Keep going and go you!
For this particular article, one provocation arose in me, perhaps in defense of my perceptions. Who wrote the Bible? Jeremiah 8:8 indicates an answer. Though most interpretations extol the lying hand of scribes. There is another that might say the errant hand of a humble scribe.
Thank you
Paul, I'd say you made my day but today has a lot of happy competition ;-) Thank you for that kind and magnanimous compliment!
I'll address the second question tomorrow when good things will be more at an ebb. I started writing an egg. That's where my mind is going!