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Its always seemed self apparent to me that the concept of a jew being the savior of all mankind and the Jewish people becoming Gods chosen people was never an accident. While the bible may have been a Pysop by Rome the jewish people have used it to their advantage over Christians every since.

It seem terribly convenient that the second coming of the physical manifestation of the Christian Messiah requires that the Jewish state be restored. Then if anything attacks that Jewish state it signals the end of the world. It seems like a perfectly arranged set of conditions to favor Zionism in the minds of the christian faithful.

How many Christians are convinced we have to support zionism because the jews are gods chosen people ?

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Thank you, Tereza for your willingness to tackle such a controversial topic.

In an earlier iteration of my life I spent a lot of time taking religious studies classes and am aware of the ongoing debate around whether the historical Jesus even existed.

Like Dominic Crosson or Rudolph Steiner, (among countless others) I come down on the side that he did in fact exist. I include those two names because I tended to resonate with them, not because they are 'right' and certainly not because they would necessarily have agreed on all the details.

Per usual for me, parsing historical data isn't the ultimate persuader. It fleshes out and adds important context, but in the end I trust something that can't be proven. It's not something I need to convince anyone else of.

The tendency to place Jesus in front of Christ (Jesus Christ) for me is part of the confusion. As Steiner would say it is more accurately, Christ Jesus. (Placing horse in front of the cart.) Christ is an impulse and knowing about our shared relationship with one another and the larger substance of Creation, (Love) available to all human beings, which Steiner believed, was not possible until the historical Jesus embodied that impulse. "Yet, not I, but Christ." Christ is not personal, though it can be embodied personally.

It's also the case that Jesus as an historical figure was part of a larger continuum of spiritual figures on the planet - indeed throughout the larger cosmos - that brought a higher level of possibility to humanity. It's not only Jesus the person, who was and is capable of this transformation into the Christ energies or impulse.

We are capable of knowing things prior to having language or facts to support that knowing. The mystical that is so often referenced in spiritual texts, I suspect can be demystified, but this requires releasing the constraints and insistence on having things presented that 'make sense' or follow a purely logical course. I understand the desire but know too that we have experiences that we can't pin down in those ways.

(I did an experiment as a young person (18 at the time) in dialogue with Jesus (though really I believe the Christ 'field') out of a sincere desire to know if this figure was 'real'. Suffice to say, I was convinced I was in the presence of a Force of Love and that Force was had been embodied by the guy, we call Jesus. I subsequently had a series of dreams that only cemented this conviction. None of this is to say that that experience won't be at some point, be superseded by another experience that will shift it into a larger understanding. That's fully possible - we work with what we have and open to more. I'm not looking to 'fix' my experience or conclusions, not would I reject them because I place them into a mental construct.)

My experience always trumps my ability to language them or make sense of them. They exist outside those models.

It is an error, imo, to elevate Jesus, as a person over anyone else. (And I believe he would say the same) Yet what he brought to the planet as someone able to embody Christ (and yes much of that has been hijacked and distorted) nonetheless was extraordinary and opened up the ability for humans to access what we call 'mystical' knowledge. (His staying power as a vehicle for faith is not only as the OG psyop, then.)

We are all equal in the largest context - aspects of the One - though we understand that in a world that clearly develops and evolves. We see clearly some of us are 'better' at some things than others, some of us appear to be more 'evolved' or 'developed' in certain ways, and others in other ways.

The ultimate context - where no one is special - is essential - as an orienting context, yet it does not keep us from seeing those developmental differences. Both are true, one holds the other.

We can't see all the ways in which our individual lives are essential to the larger Orchestration. So there is never anything to judge. Nor can we see the constraints to what we can know at any given time. As the frequencies on our planet continue to push us past the old world with all its control mechanisms, we will, as humans open to higher ways of knowing and as that happens reshuffle again, what we think we know, how we grok time and space and how we interact with the forces and frequencies of life.

Humility and openness - as well as a willingness to let go of our temporary convictions - will serve us well. It's an exciting time.

What a wonderful, big and inquisitive mind you have, Tereza. You can't not expand everything around you. Best.

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