Another one of your excellent posts, Tereza. What I find interesting is that Harari comes completely clean at some point and states "Corporations are a Legal Fiction." I have been saying this for a while also, what is strange to me is he is not defending the Corporate Legal Veil. He and his Elite partners in crime have benefited so much from Pseudo Legal Frameworks, which is what they are a part of.
About Sadhguru: He is my Kriya Yoga teacher, many of his perspectives are actually genuine from a "Yogic" way of seeing things. Kriya Yoga is an involved practice of body dynamic kundalini that actually works quite well in aligning the flow of energies in your body. He should have stayed away from global politics just focused only on Yoga.
He has been on a bit of a whirlwind lately, engaging in political and international dynamics; this is where the problem starts for me..... He made rounds to the WEF meeting sometime before Covid, he was endorsing their ideas about reducing the numbers of people on the planet. For me, that was it -- he is a fraud. Pisses me off. I was always a follower of Sri Aurobindo anyway.
Interesting about Sadhguru. He was Russell's teacher also. I didn't know about the WEF meeting. I only listened to one of his interviews, and then not the whole thing. I remember him lecturing about people being too materialistic and concerned about money and I don't think anyone who's supported by others should be berating people worried about feeding their kids and paying their rent.
I look forward to hearing your defenses of YNH. I read all his books and, I’m almost ashamed to say, enjoyed them. I thought he came off a bit pompous and outright wrong in some parts but I never took him too seriously. I particularly enjoyed his take on the fiction we call money. I don’t understand how he has so much sway, maybe I completely missed something about this supposed evil mastermind.
Agreed on a bit pompous and places where I disagree. Agreed on not taking him too seriously. And yes, his views on money and nations as legal fictions is fascinating! I think you'll be surprised at some of the views he holds. In this one that I did put on Substack, he talks about Israel having too much power: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/polarization-on-esther-perel-and.
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Hola, Tereza.
I listened to the Brett Russell talk. The story of the fearlessness of the zealots rang a little coincidence bell. Was the following also in Graeber's *Debt*? I'll share in case my memory is faulty. (I no longer have a library to check.)
In India, during their warring time, about the same as the mediterranean warring times, the moghuls had a problem with the kundalini yogis and, presumably any yoginis that may have been extant at the time. The moghuls were unable to threaten them and get them to behaviour predictably because they weren't afraid of death or torture. "If you want to kill me, then do so. I'm not afraid. Nor am I afraid of torture." This was the root of unpredictable behaviour!
And to combat the 'spread' of kundalini yoga distempering the intention of the moguls by being unpredictable, any public teaching of kundalini was to be punished with death. So the teaching became secret under threat of death. In time this became a secret practice to be taught to special initiates or else the teacher would be die - the being killed by moghuls part had been forgotten! When the first kundalini teacher came to North America, his peers told him he would die within a year. (He didn't, and so another 'truth' fell into the ditch!)
And speaking of etymology. Listening to your talk created an odd word image:
demon - itisation. Would that be the creation of demons? ;-)
I haven't heard that before so I don't think it was Graeber. Very interesting. With the zealots (according to Josephus who hated them) even the children seemed immune to torture, which led him to say they'd been possessed by demons.
Here is another of my craziest theories. The Course says that heaven is reached two by two, teacher and learner although the roles are reversed. Two teachers started the zealot movement--Judas the Nazarene and Zadok the Pharisee. What if they proved to each other that nothing could hurt you because nothing was real? Their students climbed the temple and sawed off the gold eagle of Rome in broad daylight, inviting certain death and torture for the teachers. What if they all came back in multiple, magnified form?
So the sacraments. Baptism could be drowning, proving that a baby wasn't harmed. Confirmation by fire, unaltered. Eat of my body and drink of my blood--let me help you by taking my life. Jerusalem under siege, doesn't matter. It doesn't require learning to be immune to torture, it's the whole population who stopped expecting it to have any impact.
Yes, those who had proven to themselves and each other that death wasn't real. And, just in case some demons are listening, I am NOT volunteering for this experiment ;-)
Religion, geography, negotiation with TPTB...in light of the chances of finding an atheist in a foxhole, where does Fast Eddy at the Sports Book of Life put the odds of finding one in a tin can at 20,000 feet?
Need a little diversity, equity & inclusion? My friend Ron spent a youthful year in a Catholic seminary and sprinkles in a couple of images for Buddhists and Muslims while dunking on Oral Roberts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxSbmpG-H2g
I think the most important question is 'what is our true relationship to each other?' For atheists like Darwin and Harris, it's hierarchical. But that's also true of most theists.
I've spent my life being told that using logic and reason is antithetical to understanding God. With much respect to you, William, I believe that to be a way of protecting a system of superiority from question. If I start with the belief that God loves no one better than anyone else, and apply that logic systematically to the Bible, it falls apart. Logic is consistency. The Bible is inconsistent. That doesn't mean God doesn't exist but that we need to question the premise we have of God based on either logic or authority, and I think the authorities are suspect and protecting their own power.
Hello, William. I haven't spent any significant time with Harris. I find myself instinctively turning away after a few minutes of his absolute narcissistic arrogance.
Same response here, Guy. My gut/body usually knows things way ahead of my head. Serves me well, even when I can't explain it (which I don't think is its job) I pay attention. I think Harris is a wonderful model of what the absence of humility looks like.
Hmm... if I remember my first reaction to him, it was more like muddled confusion. What's the big fuss? and then a sense that I was in the presence of a con artist. Which surprised me. I was young, and imagine (don't really remember) I probably doubted those first reactions. I've learned to trust them more since then.
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Yes. I had a similar feeling. My biggest confusion was I did not to the core of my being understand why he was popular. It made no sense to me and I felt his smile was fake. The thought-image 'con-artist' did not come to mind. Simply of puzzlement as to his popularity and that I had no interest and ... well, 'fake' is the only adjective that comes to mind.
Hmmm. Thank you.
That has prompted a strange connection. In my recent 2 part series on Krishnamurti, I puzzled as to why he was popular. His advice is not helpful. IMHO. And more likely, actually hurtful. And I intuited that he, being a poster child of an occult brain-washed sexually abused person, may be drawing to himself people with a similar energetic level of abuse, even if not explicitly sexual.
Is that possible with the DL? Is his popularity because he appeals to some kind of energy of fakeness? Of a shadow projection of those people?
My favourite podcaster, yogi-Buddhist-psychotherapist Micheal Stone, for example, refers to the DL often. I have unilaterally, intuitively and perhaps erroneously become sure that Stone was traumatised in some way as a young man. How? I don't know. Although I've recently befriended two Jewish men who confess to having been SERIOUSLY traumatised as young children by extended graphic images and movies of the holocaust. Both have serious struggles around that and I suspect Stone may have been similarly 'exposed' to that trauma as it seems to have become, perhaps, a pre-bar-mitzvah right of passage. I don't know if this is being done with the girls, too. Might be an interesting subject to research.
Very interesting conversation, Guy. I've been pondering if there's a connection between Shemitism (pre-Judaic right to rule) and misopaedia, a word I've appropriated and plan to use widely ;-)
I've been thinking about circumcision and that act of violence to an infant boy's most vulnerable part, forever exposing it to trauma, view and friction. Why is this what 'god' requires as a sign of fealty?
In Catholic school during Night and Fog, the holocaust movie, I went into the bathroom and fainted, hitting my head on the radiator. Is the intent to traumatize, desensitize or both? Interesting.
Hello Guy, the only positive thing I have heard about his thinking from anyone I trust (who is not as arrogant and everyday dumb as Sam is), Dr Jessica Rose said she gained a lot by his lessons on meditation. But a lot of people teach meditation, and she was quite put off when he kept saying calously atrocious things about children, and of course he is a covidian fascist.
Ahh! Yes, I remember that too, now that you have reminded me. I remember being surprised that Sam even did meditations. I had a mild curiosity to see what such a thing might be, because I am a daily meditator for a long time. And yet... I wasn't interested enough to listen to that.
"EXCLUSIVE: Russell Brand tells host Carrie Keagan he would have sex with her corpse and makes crude joke about bedding Adolf Hitler in unearthed clip":
This is reported in a gossip rag from a 2008 appearance on a show called Sex Wars where the interviewer has augmented her body to be a barely-clothed porn star. RB's whole persona, and what made him famous, was his over-the-top verbal promiscuity and licentiousness. IRL, for all we know, he may be gay. 'Forgetting Sarah Marshall' is a sign in the background where this is the character he played. He's in character here, saying the most outrageous thing possible. That's comedy.
Anyone reading this is not anyone who would have bothered with him in the last 5 years. It gives more credibility that this is an attack to shut him up and make an example to promote censorship in those Acts just passed.
Oh sorry, I didn't put in the title because I thought it showed up in the YT link but then it didn't. My title was The Demonization and Demonetization of Disinformation.' I think that the kind of mis/ mal/ disinformation they're censoring is dissenting information. At that time we were labeled Domestic Terror Agents which I changed to Domestic Truth Agents in this one: https://youtu.be/kOIVjqS2-ms.
Another one of your excellent posts, Tereza. What I find interesting is that Harari comes completely clean at some point and states "Corporations are a Legal Fiction." I have been saying this for a while also, what is strange to me is he is not defending the Corporate Legal Veil. He and his Elite partners in crime have benefited so much from Pseudo Legal Frameworks, which is what they are a part of.
About Sadhguru: He is my Kriya Yoga teacher, many of his perspectives are actually genuine from a "Yogic" way of seeing things. Kriya Yoga is an involved practice of body dynamic kundalini that actually works quite well in aligning the flow of energies in your body. He should have stayed away from global politics just focused only on Yoga.
He has been on a bit of a whirlwind lately, engaging in political and international dynamics; this is where the problem starts for me..... He made rounds to the WEF meeting sometime before Covid, he was endorsing their ideas about reducing the numbers of people on the planet. For me, that was it -- he is a fraud. Pisses me off. I was always a follower of Sri Aurobindo anyway.
Interesting about Sadhguru. He was Russell's teacher also. I didn't know about the WEF meeting. I only listened to one of his interviews, and then not the whole thing. I remember him lecturing about people being too materialistic and concerned about money and I don't think anyone who's supported by others should be berating people worried about feeding their kids and paying their rent.
I agree with you.
And I do feel a bit disappointed in Sadhguru, it's this type of behavior that turns people off to things that could be otherwise beneficial like yoga.
Yoga is good for anyone whose ready for it, following one yogin who has lost his yogic sense a pointless social exercise.
I look forward to hearing your defenses of YNH. I read all his books and, I’m almost ashamed to say, enjoyed them. I thought he came off a bit pompous and outright wrong in some parts but I never took him too seriously. I particularly enjoyed his take on the fiction we call money. I don’t understand how he has so much sway, maybe I completely missed something about this supposed evil mastermind.
Agreed on a bit pompous and places where I disagree. Agreed on not taking him too seriously. And yes, his views on money and nations as legal fictions is fascinating! I think you'll be surprised at some of the views he holds. In this one that I did put on Substack, he talks about Israel having too much power: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/polarization-on-esther-perel-and.
Hola, Tereza.
I listened to the Brett Russell talk. The story of the fearlessness of the zealots rang a little coincidence bell. Was the following also in Graeber's *Debt*? I'll share in case my memory is faulty. (I no longer have a library to check.)
In India, during their warring time, about the same as the mediterranean warring times, the moghuls had a problem with the kundalini yogis and, presumably any yoginis that may have been extant at the time. The moghuls were unable to threaten them and get them to behaviour predictably because they weren't afraid of death or torture. "If you want to kill me, then do so. I'm not afraid. Nor am I afraid of torture." This was the root of unpredictable behaviour!
And to combat the 'spread' of kundalini yoga distempering the intention of the moguls by being unpredictable, any public teaching of kundalini was to be punished with death. So the teaching became secret under threat of death. In time this became a secret practice to be taught to special initiates or else the teacher would be die - the being killed by moghuls part had been forgotten! When the first kundalini teacher came to North America, his peers told him he would die within a year. (He didn't, and so another 'truth' fell into the ditch!)
And speaking of etymology. Listening to your talk created an odd word image:
demon - itisation. Would that be the creation of demons? ;-)
I haven't heard that before so I don't think it was Graeber. Very interesting. With the zealots (according to Josephus who hated them) even the children seemed immune to torture, which led him to say they'd been possessed by demons.
Here is another of my craziest theories. The Course says that heaven is reached two by two, teacher and learner although the roles are reversed. Two teachers started the zealot movement--Judas the Nazarene and Zadok the Pharisee. What if they proved to each other that nothing could hurt you because nothing was real? Their students climbed the temple and sawed off the gold eagle of Rome in broad daylight, inviting certain death and torture for the teachers. What if they all came back in multiple, magnified form?
So the sacraments. Baptism could be drowning, proving that a baby wasn't harmed. Confirmation by fire, unaltered. Eat of my body and drink of my blood--let me help you by taking my life. Jerusalem under siege, doesn't matter. It doesn't require learning to be immune to torture, it's the whole population who stopped expecting it to have any impact.
What say you, demon-it-is and demon-it-ain't?
LOL! What came to mind was demon-(pro)stration? Sorry. Bad pun jokes tonight.
"What if they all came back in multiple, magnified form?" This 'they' is Judas and Zadok?
I like your sacrament argument, actually! Very interesting.
Yes, those who had proven to themselves and each other that death wasn't real. And, just in case some demons are listening, I am NOT volunteering for this experiment ;-)
Now I gotta go back and watch the back catalog....
Time.....is [not] on our side! Yes it is!
😂
Religion, geography, negotiation with TPTB...in light of the chances of finding an atheist in a foxhole, where does Fast Eddy at the Sports Book of Life put the odds of finding one in a tin can at 20,000 feet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGafyQag5MU
Need a little diversity, equity & inclusion? My friend Ron spent a youthful year in a Catholic seminary and sprinkles in a couple of images for Buddhists and Muslims while dunking on Oral Roberts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxSbmpG-H2g
From the album, Easter: Privilege (Set Me Free) by a Punk Priestess with Mary Jane shoes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0jyEmOmpAI
For any whirling, dancing unbelievers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxxV05p11lc
Anybody who tries to understand God and evil logically isn't going to understand either. Which is also why Sam is so dead wrong about so much.
I think the most important question is 'what is our true relationship to each other?' For atheists like Darwin and Harris, it's hierarchical. But that's also true of most theists.
I've spent my life being told that using logic and reason is antithetical to understanding God. With much respect to you, William, I believe that to be a way of protecting a system of superiority from question. If I start with the belief that God loves no one better than anyone else, and apply that logic systematically to the Bible, it falls apart. Logic is consistency. The Bible is inconsistent. That doesn't mean God doesn't exist but that we need to question the premise we have of God based on either logic or authority, and I think the authorities are suspect and protecting their own power.
Hello, William. I haven't spent any significant time with Harris. I find myself instinctively turning away after a few minutes of his absolute narcissistic arrogance.
Has he said ANYTHING of actual true value?
Same response here, Guy. My gut/body usually knows things way ahead of my head. Serves me well, even when I can't explain it (which I don't think is its job) I pay attention. I think Harris is a wonderful model of what the absence of humility looks like.
'I think Harris is a wonderful model of what the absence of humility looks like.'
Wow, Kathleen, this is a wonderful phrase! Yes, a perfect description of my 'gut's' reaction.
Thank you.
Question: I had a similar, albeit much less overt reaction to the Dalai Lama. You?
Hmm... if I remember my first reaction to him, it was more like muddled confusion. What's the big fuss? and then a sense that I was in the presence of a con artist. Which surprised me. I was young, and imagine (don't really remember) I probably doubted those first reactions. I've learned to trust them more since then.
Thanks, Guy.
Yes. I had a similar feeling. My biggest confusion was I did not to the core of my being understand why he was popular. It made no sense to me and I felt his smile was fake. The thought-image 'con-artist' did not come to mind. Simply of puzzlement as to his popularity and that I had no interest and ... well, 'fake' is the only adjective that comes to mind.
Hmmm. Thank you.
That has prompted a strange connection. In my recent 2 part series on Krishnamurti, I puzzled as to why he was popular. His advice is not helpful. IMHO. And more likely, actually hurtful. And I intuited that he, being a poster child of an occult brain-washed sexually abused person, may be drawing to himself people with a similar energetic level of abuse, even if not explicitly sexual.
Is that possible with the DL? Is his popularity because he appeals to some kind of energy of fakeness? Of a shadow projection of those people?
My favourite podcaster, yogi-Buddhist-psychotherapist Micheal Stone, for example, refers to the DL often. I have unilaterally, intuitively and perhaps erroneously become sure that Stone was traumatised in some way as a young man. How? I don't know. Although I've recently befriended two Jewish men who confess to having been SERIOUSLY traumatised as young children by extended graphic images and movies of the holocaust. Both have serious struggles around that and I suspect Stone may have been similarly 'exposed' to that trauma as it seems to have become, perhaps, a pre-bar-mitzvah right of passage. I don't know if this is being done with the girls, too. Might be an interesting subject to research.
Thoughts? Thank you.
Very interesting conversation, Guy. I've been pondering if there's a connection between Shemitism (pre-Judaic right to rule) and misopaedia, a word I've appropriated and plan to use widely ;-)
I've been thinking about circumcision and that act of violence to an infant boy's most vulnerable part, forever exposing it to trauma, view and friction. Why is this what 'god' requires as a sign of fealty?
In Catholic school during Night and Fog, the holocaust movie, I went into the bathroom and fainted, hitting my head on the radiator. Is the intent to traumatize, desensitize or both? Interesting.
Hello Guy, the only positive thing I have heard about his thinking from anyone I trust (who is not as arrogant and everyday dumb as Sam is), Dr Jessica Rose said she gained a lot by his lessons on meditation. But a lot of people teach meditation, and she was quite put off when he kept saying calously atrocious things about children, and of course he is a covidian fascist.
Ahh! Yes, I remember that too, now that you have reminded me. I remember being surprised that Sam even did meditations. I had a mild curiosity to see what such a thing might be, because I am a daily meditator for a long time. And yet... I wasn't interested enough to listen to that.
Thank you,
More bad press in UK for Russell Brand.
"EXCLUSIVE: Russell Brand tells host Carrie Keagan he would have sex with her corpse and makes crude joke about bedding Adolf Hitler in unearthed clip":
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12566613/Russell-Brand-Carrie-Keagan-sex-corpse-Adolf-Hitler.html
This is reported in a gossip rag from a 2008 appearance on a show called Sex Wars where the interviewer has augmented her body to be a barely-clothed porn star. RB's whole persona, and what made him famous, was his over-the-top verbal promiscuity and licentiousness. IRL, for all we know, he may be gay. 'Forgetting Sarah Marshall' is a sign in the background where this is the character he played. He's in character here, saying the most outrageous thing possible. That's comedy.
Anyone reading this is not anyone who would have bothered with him in the last 5 years. It gives more credibility that this is an attack to shut him up and make an example to promote censorship in those Acts just passed.
Disinformation is NOT dissent. It is a propaganda technique, as also is misinformation.
Oh sorry, I didn't put in the title because I thought it showed up in the YT link but then it didn't. My title was The Demonization and Demonetization of Disinformation.' I think that the kind of mis/ mal/ disinformation they're censoring is dissenting information. At that time we were labeled Domestic Terror Agents which I changed to Domestic Truth Agents in this one: https://youtu.be/kOIVjqS2-ms.
That's music to my ears! Happy to provide so much thinking fodder.